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hrmjustin

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9. I don't see atheists as immoral at all.

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Tue Apr 15, 2014, 02:52 PM

Apr 2014

I know and I am related to many good atheists.

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Americans Intuitively Judge Atheists as Immoral [View all] rug Apr 2014 OP

So conditioning works, who could've guessed that? JNelson6563 Apr 2014 #1

It must be some conditioning. rug Apr 2014 #2

what? randys1 Apr 2014 #4

No but here's one to University of Kentucky psychologist Will Gervais. rug Apr 2014 #5

That's in the small percentage of atheists represented in the experiments of the sinkingfeeling Apr 2014 #6

According to the author, the percentage is higher than average. rug Apr 2014 #10

"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, Maedhros Apr 2014 #20

Atheists in reality are far better people, FAR better randys1 Apr 2014 #3

Oh really! hrmjustin Apr 2014 #8

Saying that atheists are FAR better people than 99.99% of religious folks cbayer Apr 2014 #34

I agree with you. agbdf Apr 2014 #52

religion is a disease, an illness randys1 Apr 2014 #84

How would it sit with you if I said that atheism was a disease, an illness? cbayer Apr 2014 #85

The OP quoted an opinion that many Americans feel atheists are "immoral". I suspect that is what lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #87

My point is countering prejudice with prejudice is not a good idea, cbayer Apr 2014 #91

I know, and it is a valid point lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #96

Nonsense randys1 Apr 2014 #89

I'm going to hypothetically say it's a disease just because I think it is. cbayer Apr 2014 #92

you refuse to drop the attack and do the xtian thing randys1 Apr 2014 #94

Where exactly to you see the attack? cbayer Apr 2014 #95

i was going to church and reading the bible probably before you were born randys1 Apr 2014 #97

It's anecdotal, which is fine cbayer Apr 2014 #100

Not one of my posts anywhere on the internet says ALL randys1 Apr 2014 #105

Ah, but what about the Jewish Leprechaun Society? cbayer Apr 2014 #106

oh my god, where have you been all my life LOL randys1 Apr 2014 #107

Lol. I am glad we can end this conversation with a chuckle. cbayer Apr 2014 #108

You are really great, cbayer. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #109

Thanks, boo. cbayer Apr 2014 #112

Could not agree more! nt marew Apr 2014 #38

I like to judge people individually and not as a group. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #39

Because that is generally what progressive/liberal democrats do. cbayer Apr 2014 #47

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #71

There's nothing intuitive about it. gcomeau Apr 2014 #7

I'll stick with the study over talking points. rug Apr 2014 #11

The contents of the study say nothing to the contrary. gcomeau Apr 2014 #15

Feel free to post a link then to study that examines your talking point. rug Apr 2014 #18

Why? You already did. -eom gcomeau Apr 2014 #28

I must have misread your post. rug Apr 2014 #29

Yeah... gcomeau Apr 2014 #30

...and the link to the data supporting that statement would be... nonexistent. rug Apr 2014 #41

The study you linked doesn't exist? Well ok, if you say so... -eom gcomeau Apr 2014 #44

"that statement", naturally, is yours. rug Apr 2014 #45

Yep, got that. gcomeau Apr 2014 #46

This was posted a day or two ago. Atheists aren't all that bad. lob1 Apr 2014 #80

I don't see atheists as immoral at all. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #9

Me either. It's about perceptions. rug Apr 2014 #13

The study is what people THINK of atheists randys1 Apr 2014 #33

Your headline is correct. rug Apr 2014 #42

What study is that? cbayer Apr 2014 #48

Thousands of years of institutionalized LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #12

OMG! marew Apr 2014 #14

Atheism leads you to the conclusion of "the necessity of kindness and compassion toward all beings"? rug Apr 2014 #24

Not all. That is your personal perception and interpretation. marew Apr 2014 #31

That is the common definition. rug Apr 2014 #32

Again- your actualization and interpretation... marew Apr 2014 #37

You've proven the point. rug Apr 2014 #40

I simply said that is part of the definition... marew Apr 2014 #65

Actually, that would be secular humanism cprise Apr 2014 #79

Yes, they are two differen things. rug Apr 2014 #88

I think that theists and atheists for the most part have altruism, kindness cbayer Apr 2014 #49

You say: LTX Apr 2014 #86

So Then, Why Are Theists Caught Regularly In Immoral Acts? cantbeserious Apr 2014 #16

There are more human beings who are theists. rug Apr 2014 #17

Because they actually believe.... marew Apr 2014 #21

Do you consider beating the drum for the Iraq War to be moral? rug Apr 2014 #23

I am not sure what you mean by "beating the drum." marew Apr 2014 #35

There is no "kindness and compassion" in the Iraq War. rug Apr 2014 #43

I never said there was. marew Apr 2014 #58

Now that we have had our excursion, let's return to the question: rug Apr 2014 #59

Read my previous response... marew Apr 2014 #66

I read what you typed. Even got out a microscope. Nope, no response in there. rug Apr 2014 #67

He's probably hoping for a "Gotcha!" moment Rob H. Apr 2014 #69

Thank you, thank you for your kind words. marew Apr 2014 #76

Because some people, whether they believe or not, act immorally. cbayer Apr 2014 #51

Perceptions are reality. Leontius Apr 2014 #56

If there are not experiences to counter them. cbayer Apr 2014 #62

At work for years they thought I was a godless commie now I'm just the commie. Leontius Apr 2014 #64

I think I have better morals than about 90% of the Christians I know n/t doc03 Apr 2014 #19

Based on most Christians I know... marew Apr 2014 #22

Unless of course you consider judging whole groups of people cbayer Apr 2014 #50

Well about 90% of the ones I know have no problem with doc03 Apr 2014 #90

So, 90% of the believers you know are judgmental and cbayer Apr 2014 #93

That is a ridiculous accusation, you are telling me you don't know Christians that are, doc03 Apr 2014 #99

What is the accusation? cbayer Apr 2014 #101

You just want to be argumentative, then run to the jury claiming doc03 Apr 2014 #110

Huh?? cbayer Apr 2014 #111

That's disturbing el_bryanto Apr 2014 #25

The demographics of the participants is in Table S1. rug Apr 2014 #26

Still disturbing. nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #27

This is really bad news, even though the study really should be taken with a grain of salt. cbayer Apr 2014 #36

Probably the first step would be to copy the gay rights movement LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #57

Coming out is happening, though slowly, but I totally agree cbayer Apr 2014 #61

Gays have been dealing w/ internalized homophobia cprise Apr 2014 #83

Agree. Stigma is often rooted in seeing a group as some vague "other", imo. And often changes pinto Apr 2014 #98

They may think I'm immoral Politicalboi Apr 2014 #53

I don't think they were referring to you specifically. rug Apr 2014 #54

The nicest person I ever knew SevenSixtyTwo Apr 2014 #55

Welcome to DU! rug Apr 2014 #60

They do the same thing to black people like me. Imagine that. Americans can be bigots. bravenak Apr 2014 #63

What does divorce have to do with it? Do you think divorce is immoral? rug Apr 2014 #68

I think divorce is essential. Christians have other ideas that they can speak of for them selves. bravenak Apr 2014 #70

To be clear, there was some really soft data presented quite a while ago cbayer Apr 2014 #72

Thats true of many studies. bravenak Apr 2014 #73

Agree, that is the problem with doing "surveys" about religion. cbayer Apr 2014 #74

This survey was about what ameticans think not about how things actually are. bravenak Apr 2014 #75

Again, agree. But what is it we can do to help them rethink cbayer Apr 2014 #77

Try putting up an atheist billboard and you get cries of christian persecution. bravenak Apr 2014 #78

It all depends on the billboard, imo. cbayer Apr 2014 #81

Nice talking to you too. bravenak Apr 2014 #82

Those who shun objective thinking are not likely to achieve wisdom. nt ladjf Apr 2014 #102

�Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world.� rug Apr 2014 #103

I don't believe that "every man" would fit Schopenhauer's description, but, the word "many" ladjf Apr 2014 #104

Millennia of religion-inspired bigotry... MellowDem Apr 2014 #113