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marew

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76. Thank you, thank you for your kind words.

Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:23 PM

Apr 2014

The "Gotcha!" game is popular among 'believers'! They must defend their perspective which is built on a house of cards.

Many, many years ago in a senior level social psychology class I was made aware that said many 'believers' are not fully committed to the standards of their belief system. Their focus was to convert someone- anyone- to believe as they did which in their minds- convinced them they were right.

Decades ago I learned of horrific, HORRIFIC, experiments done on dogs which I will never forget. I have seen pictures of what was done during the Holocaust which haunt my dreams and the many abominations we have seen since then. I have spent decades of my life attempting to stop suffering yet there are those who will always try the "Gotcha!" technique to discredit and dismiss people like me.

No apologies to those people ever, not ever!

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Americans Intuitively Judge Atheists as Immoral [View all] rug Apr 2014 OP

So conditioning works, who could've guessed that? JNelson6563 Apr 2014 #1

It must be some conditioning. rug Apr 2014 #2

what? randys1 Apr 2014 #4

No but here's one to University of Kentucky psychologist Will Gervais. rug Apr 2014 #5

That's in the small percentage of atheists represented in the experiments of the sinkingfeeling Apr 2014 #6

According to the author, the percentage is higher than average. rug Apr 2014 #10

"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, Maedhros Apr 2014 #20

Atheists in reality are far better people, FAR better randys1 Apr 2014 #3

Oh really! hrmjustin Apr 2014 #8

Saying that atheists are FAR better people than 99.99% of religious folks cbayer Apr 2014 #34

I agree with you. agbdf Apr 2014 #52

religion is a disease, an illness randys1 Apr 2014 #84

How would it sit with you if I said that atheism was a disease, an illness? cbayer Apr 2014 #85

The OP quoted an opinion that many Americans feel atheists are "immoral". I suspect that is what lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #87

My point is countering prejudice with prejudice is not a good idea, cbayer Apr 2014 #91

I know, and it is a valid point lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #96

Nonsense randys1 Apr 2014 #89

I'm going to hypothetically say it's a disease just because I think it is. cbayer Apr 2014 #92

you refuse to drop the attack and do the xtian thing randys1 Apr 2014 #94

Where exactly to you see the attack? cbayer Apr 2014 #95

i was going to church and reading the bible probably before you were born randys1 Apr 2014 #97

It's anecdotal, which is fine cbayer Apr 2014 #100

Not one of my posts anywhere on the internet says ALL randys1 Apr 2014 #105

Ah, but what about the Jewish Leprechaun Society? cbayer Apr 2014 #106

oh my god, where have you been all my life LOL randys1 Apr 2014 #107

Lol. I am glad we can end this conversation with a chuckle. cbayer Apr 2014 #108

You are really great, cbayer. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #109

Thanks, boo. cbayer Apr 2014 #112

Could not agree more! nt marew Apr 2014 #38

I like to judge people individually and not as a group. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #39

Because that is generally what progressive/liberal democrats do. cbayer Apr 2014 #47

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #71

There's nothing intuitive about it. gcomeau Apr 2014 #7

I'll stick with the study over talking points. rug Apr 2014 #11

The contents of the study say nothing to the contrary. gcomeau Apr 2014 #15

Feel free to post a link then to study that examines your talking point. rug Apr 2014 #18

Why? You already did. -eom gcomeau Apr 2014 #28

I must have misread your post. rug Apr 2014 #29

Yeah... gcomeau Apr 2014 #30

...and the link to the data supporting that statement would be... nonexistent. rug Apr 2014 #41

The study you linked doesn't exist? Well ok, if you say so... -eom gcomeau Apr 2014 #44

"that statement", naturally, is yours. rug Apr 2014 #45

Yep, got that. gcomeau Apr 2014 #46

This was posted a day or two ago. Atheists aren't all that bad. lob1 Apr 2014 #80

I don't see atheists as immoral at all. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #9

Me either. It's about perceptions. rug Apr 2014 #13

The study is what people THINK of atheists randys1 Apr 2014 #33

Your headline is correct. rug Apr 2014 #42

What study is that? cbayer Apr 2014 #48

Thousands of years of institutionalized LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #12

OMG! marew Apr 2014 #14

Atheism leads you to the conclusion of "the necessity of kindness and compassion toward all beings"? rug Apr 2014 #24

Not all. That is your personal perception and interpretation. marew Apr 2014 #31

That is the common definition. rug Apr 2014 #32

Again- your actualization and interpretation... marew Apr 2014 #37

You've proven the point. rug Apr 2014 #40

I simply said that is part of the definition... marew Apr 2014 #65

Actually, that would be secular humanism cprise Apr 2014 #79

Yes, they are two differen things. rug Apr 2014 #88

I think that theists and atheists for the most part have altruism, kindness cbayer Apr 2014 #49

You say: LTX Apr 2014 #86

So Then, Why Are Theists Caught Regularly In Immoral Acts? cantbeserious Apr 2014 #16

There are more human beings who are theists. rug Apr 2014 #17

Because they actually believe.... marew Apr 2014 #21

Do you consider beating the drum for the Iraq War to be moral? rug Apr 2014 #23

I am not sure what you mean by "beating the drum." marew Apr 2014 #35

There is no "kindness and compassion" in the Iraq War. rug Apr 2014 #43

I never said there was. marew Apr 2014 #58

Now that we have had our excursion, let's return to the question: rug Apr 2014 #59

Read my previous response... marew Apr 2014 #66

I read what you typed. Even got out a microscope. Nope, no response in there. rug Apr 2014 #67

He's probably hoping for a "Gotcha!" moment Rob H. Apr 2014 #69

Thank you, thank you for your kind words. marew Apr 2014 #76

Because some people, whether they believe or not, act immorally. cbayer Apr 2014 #51

Perceptions are reality. Leontius Apr 2014 #56

If there are not experiences to counter them. cbayer Apr 2014 #62

At work for years they thought I was a godless commie now I'm just the commie. Leontius Apr 2014 #64

I think I have better morals than about 90% of the Christians I know n/t doc03 Apr 2014 #19

Based on most Christians I know... marew Apr 2014 #22

Unless of course you consider judging whole groups of people cbayer Apr 2014 #50

Well about 90% of the ones I know have no problem with doc03 Apr 2014 #90

So, 90% of the believers you know are judgmental and cbayer Apr 2014 #93

That is a ridiculous accusation, you are telling me you don't know Christians that are, doc03 Apr 2014 #99

What is the accusation? cbayer Apr 2014 #101

You just want to be argumentative, then run to the jury claiming doc03 Apr 2014 #110

Huh?? cbayer Apr 2014 #111

That's disturbing el_bryanto Apr 2014 #25

The demographics of the participants is in Table S1. rug Apr 2014 #26

Still disturbing. nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #27

This is really bad news, even though the study really should be taken with a grain of salt. cbayer Apr 2014 #36

Probably the first step would be to copy the gay rights movement LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #57

Coming out is happening, though slowly, but I totally agree cbayer Apr 2014 #61

Gays have been dealing w/ internalized homophobia cprise Apr 2014 #83

Agree. Stigma is often rooted in seeing a group as some vague "other", imo. And often changes pinto Apr 2014 #98

They may think I'm immoral Politicalboi Apr 2014 #53

I don't think they were referring to you specifically. rug Apr 2014 #54

The nicest person I ever knew SevenSixtyTwo Apr 2014 #55

Welcome to DU! rug Apr 2014 #60

They do the same thing to black people like me. Imagine that. Americans can be bigots. bravenak Apr 2014 #63

What does divorce have to do with it? Do you think divorce is immoral? rug Apr 2014 #68

I think divorce is essential. Christians have other ideas that they can speak of for them selves. bravenak Apr 2014 #70

To be clear, there was some really soft data presented quite a while ago cbayer Apr 2014 #72

Thats true of many studies. bravenak Apr 2014 #73

Agree, that is the problem with doing "surveys" about religion. cbayer Apr 2014 #74

This survey was about what ameticans think not about how things actually are. bravenak Apr 2014 #75

Again, agree. But what is it we can do to help them rethink cbayer Apr 2014 #77

Try putting up an atheist billboard and you get cries of christian persecution. bravenak Apr 2014 #78

It all depends on the billboard, imo. cbayer Apr 2014 #81

Nice talking to you too. bravenak Apr 2014 #82

Those who shun objective thinking are not likely to achieve wisdom. nt ladjf Apr 2014 #102

�Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world.� rug Apr 2014 #103

I don't believe that "every man" would fit Schopenhauer's description, but, the word "many" ladjf Apr 2014 #104

Millennia of religion-inspired bigotry... MellowDem Apr 2014 #113