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Starboard Tack

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140. And what experience do you speak from?

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:00 AM

Apr 2014

Obviously very little.
Firstly, my friend, we are not a clan. We are individuals with different experiences and beliefs, but we do share a mutual respect for tolerance and understanding. We all fight in our own ways for equality, education and understanding. We all oppose bigotry and extremism. We all recognize our own imperfections.
We all fought against prop 8. We were in the trenches fighting for civil rights and gay rights in the sixties and seventies. Where were you? I was in Italy, standing up for rights that the RCC opposed. I fought for abortion rights with underground movements and doctors who risked everything. I saw enough suffering to last a lifetime. Friends died because of laws imposed by the pro-Catholic government. So, don't tell me what I know or don't know.

I'm sure you like to think you speak from the experience of others, but you don't. I don't know how young you are, but I get the impression that you're fairly young. The four of us who comprise our "clan", as you put it, have over 250 years of combined personal experience. So get over yourself and enough with your personal attacks.

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Pope Francis: Kids Must Have Moms and Dad [View all] Heddi Apr 2014 OP

It takes a parent to understand parenting... rexcat Apr 2014 #1

Oopsie! This is not going to go over well. longship Apr 2014 #2

Of course it will go over well skepticscott Apr 2014 #3

Some of us were never fooled in the first place. trotsky Apr 2014 #6

I kind of figured that this would be the case. longship Apr 2014 #7

I don't think it will change anytime soon. Increasingly ignored, yes, even by self-defined Catholics pinto Apr 2014 #8

It would be nice too skepticscott Apr 2014 #9

It would be nice too rug Apr 2014 #11

Meanwhile, though - Goacher Apr 2014 #12

Then you should have seen this: rug Apr 2014 #13

Calm down Goacher Apr 2014 #14

Is there a particular reason you asked? rug Apr 2014 #15

Yes Goacher Apr 2014 #18

You didn't answer the question rug, why is that? n/t Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #16

I did. Read that answer again, slowly this time. rug Apr 2014 #17

OK, so you think the Pope is stating an opinion beyond his expertise... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #42

It takes a village. rug Apr 2014 #50

What is important is how we treat others, that's the most important thing, period Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #53

You've moved from ethical superiority to "I judge, and judge harshly." Logic! rug Apr 2014 #54

I'm sorry that I judge homophobes and misogynists as harshly as I do racists... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #56

I'm sorry you have a need to judge. rug Apr 2014 #57

Let me guess, someone makes a racist joke in your presence, you just laugh along... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #58

No, I say, "You are ethically inferior and I judge you harshly." rug Apr 2014 #59

No, I usually say something like "That's not funny, that's racist" or express... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #60

I'm sorry you have a need to judge. AlbertCat Apr 2014 #83

However, when I decry bigotry from atheists, do you come to my defense? Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #143

Most of the time, the examples of "bigotry" from atheists is us not showing... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #144

But even you admit that at least some of the time, it IS bigotry Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #164

Never claimed otherwise, but 99% of the time, the claims of "bigotry" are pure bullshit. Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #166

Not 99%; maybe half Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #194

Jorge Mario Bergoglio is, in his own words, a bigot. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #43

Feel better now? rug Apr 2014 #48

No, he still holds office over an organization with 1.2bn members or so. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #49

Well, then, what are you going to do about it besides popping off on the internet? rug Apr 2014 #51

I find that pointing out his bigotry is highly useful in many venues. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #55

I think the real question is what are you going to do about it Lordquinton Apr 2014 #133

Since you're complaining, what are you going to do about it? rug Apr 2014 #134

So your totally fine with his comments? Lordquinton Apr 2014 #158

Not at all, but I don't take his predictable remarks, dip a broad brush in them and use them rug Apr 2014 #160

I have not seen what you claim to see Lordquinton Apr 2014 #191

You don't see it because you don't want to see it. rug Apr 2014 #192

So... Goacher Apr 2014 #195

Stop in and see. rug Apr 2014 #196

Nope. Nothing there Goacher Apr 2014 #197

Oh really? rug Apr 2014 #198

Really. Goacher Apr 2014 #199

Yes you are. rug Apr 2014 #200

No need. I have my answer Goacher Apr 2014 #201

See you in 14 months. rug Apr 2014 #202

How about this Goacher Apr 2014 #203

Deal. rug Apr 2014 #204

I'm sorry if I ever called you an anti-catholic crank. nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #32

Thank you. trotsky Apr 2014 #33

I've been called a bigot for calling Pope Francis a homophobic bigot, I find that... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #40

The classic 'I'm rubber you're glue' defense. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #44

Problem is that then I wonder what the person I'm ignoring is saying, then I would disable it. Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #45

It took a little willpower, that's for sure. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #46

We are all bigots at times Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #136

Take your own advice skepticscott Apr 2014 #138

I don't defend despicable behavior. Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #141

Well, except for the whole subthread below skepticscott Apr 2014 #152

Bullshit! Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #154

You are being purposely obtuse as to the influence of the RCC in passing laws in... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #162

Reply #112: "And this has what to do with the RCC?" muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #163

No, it was a response to one of our anti-theist members who twists my words to suit his agenda Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #168

Some of us were never fooled in the first place. AlbertCat Apr 2014 #67

Spindoctor LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #4

But... but... he said he wouldn't judge! trotsky Apr 2014 #5

It's OK, that's all sorted now. mr blur Apr 2014 #10

Most unfortunate, but not unexpected. He is the Pope, after all. Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #19

Right... MellowDem Apr 2014 #20

You forgot the sarcasm thingy Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #21

I have little to no interest in Catholic policies or "power" Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #22

Catholic policies and power Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #23

No they aren't. They may influence believers, but they are not responsible. Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #24

hate propaganda? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #25

The RCC does not support birth control, never did. Is this news to you? Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #27

Horseshit Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #31

They could do as you suggest, or buy their insurance elsewhere Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #35

Some types of birth control are used for more than just preventing pregnancy LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #37

i hope you realize what a ridiculous statement that is Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #74

To start with LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #80

Then please accept my apology. Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #81

So you decide if you agree with something Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #95

Nope, but I am prejudiced against intolerants of all kinds. Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #100

For the next 2 years, it is very important that my wife not become pregnant. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #71

And you're blaming the RCC if she gets pregnant? Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #75

You're talking about an entity that lobbies to prevent access to things like AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #76

And they lost, which is good Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #79

Is it good? I thought that catholic lobbying doesn't affect non-catholics at all... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #89

You are wrong to say that Catholic Church beliefs occur in a vacuum and don't affect others. Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #157

There are only two hospitals left in the Seattle Area that haven't been purchased by the catholics. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #70

And when a Catholic health group takes over yet another independent hospital or clinic? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #34

Yeah, that's pretty fucked up, but it's about business and politics Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #36

This sub-thread is about Catholic policies affecting other people muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #38

And the top six donors against I-1000 in Washington State were all catholic orgs. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #72

build your straw men elsewhere, please Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #39

I agree that individual Catholics (or any other religion) should not be attacked for their personal LeftishBrit Apr 2014 #193

I suspect this is their strategy, since they lost the fight against I-1000. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #82

When the Catholic church buys up the only public hospital in the area Heddi Apr 2014 #64

Heddi, it was SO FUCKING WORTH taking him off ignore for research... trotsky Apr 2014 #92

I took him off Ignore too. What was I thinking? mr blur Apr 2014 #97

You needed a laugh too? trotsky Apr 2014 #103

Well then you probably missed his equating gay marriage with marrying a bicycle or a hamster Heddi Apr 2014 #121

Holy fuck. trotsky Apr 2014 #124

Ah yeah. Um the only people who commented on it Heddi Apr 2014 #126

Classic. n/t trotsky Apr 2014 #127

I am just shocked. n/t trotsky Apr 2014 #128

bra-fucking-vo Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #98

This is the kind of apologetics skepticscott Apr 2014 #65

I agree 100%. How about that? Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #69

So you lied in earlier posts that said that non-Catholics are magically immune from... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #88

Really? I said that? Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #96

Yes. You did. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #99

Really? Your language comprehension skills appear to be lacking somewhat. Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #102

Let's review, then. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #105

I said "they don't affect me", not "effect" Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #107

Oh, I see, you are self centered then, when an LGBT couple can't marry in a country... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #108

And this has what to do with the RCC? Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #112

I'm talking about legal prohibitions, don't be purposely obtuse. Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #113

You are the self-centered one - you don't care what the Catholic church does muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #114

I didn't say what you just did, but I do wonder why Starboard Tack expresses so much "concern" Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #116

Do you see how you twisted that Muriel? Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #181

Oh, and to answer the question you didn't ask, yes I want the world to adopt my values... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #115

Good for you. We obviously share the same goal Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #179

Holy shit dude Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #117

Oh please. Stop being so silly. Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #178

Looks like a jury of your peers, Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #184

It's not even his rhetoric that's the problem skepticscott Apr 2014 #185

Have you seen mr blur lately? rug Apr 2014 #186

You are equating gay marriage with marrying your bicycle or hamster??? LeftishBrit Apr 2014 #172

No, I am not equating it with anything. Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #177

Actually I do have a problem with family members getting married... LeftishBrit Apr 2014 #180

Thank you. We agree. Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #182

You just equated gay marriage to bestiality. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #175

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #176

You seem to be having trouble with your dictionary. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #118

No, as you point out "affect" is a verb and "effect" is a noun Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #130

Are you fucking serious? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #131

They do not affect me Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #135

So when you said previously skepticscott Apr 2014 #90

So its just a figment of our imaginations that many Archdioceses donate to NOM? Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #41

Why do you care, if you are not Catholic? Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #66

Some "non-Catholics" actually care skepticscott Apr 2014 #68

If you hadn't lost all credibility long ago, I might take you seriously Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #77

far more interested in attacking people for their beliefs AlbertCat Apr 2014 #85

Oh shut up about credibility Starboard Tack, your disingenuous attacks on PEOPLE are getting old... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #87

That's me, the "oppressor" apologist Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #94

Oh those big mean anti-theists who do NOTHING to try to legally restrict... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #109

Did I say the anti-theists restrict the rights of others? Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #110

Earn your respect? Why the fuck would I want to do that? Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #111

And he equates same-sex marriage with marrying a bicycle or a hamster Heddi Apr 2014 #120

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #123

I know, isn't it amazing. Don't you wish you were so popular? Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #125

You really are a sad person skepticscott Apr 2014 #91

Actually, I'm a very happy person. Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #93

Ignorance is, as they say, bliss mr blur Apr 2014 #104

I wouldn't know, but I'll take your word for it. Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #106

Holy. Fucking. Shit. Do you read your own posts? Do you want me to list the laws and propositions... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #86

It's already been done by me above. He doesn't care Heddi Apr 2014 #122

No, you're not on ignore. I love reading your posts. Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #142

Comparing same sex marriage to marrying a hamster is quite a few steps beyond the pale el_bryanto Apr 2014 #205

There is a big difference between Lordquinton Apr 2014 #132

I agree wholeheartedly with your first two paragraphs. Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #137

Of course skepticscott Apr 2014 #139

And what experience do you speak from? Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #140

Wait one fucking second, you were "in the trenches" when fighting policies the RCC lobbied for... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #145

Thank you..beat me to it skepticscott Apr 2014 #146

Exactly, its not like Proposition 8 hurt anybody! Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #147

Well, it didn't hurt skepticscott Apr 2014 #148

I was in the trenches in Italy Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #149

But that's "about politics", so you didn't care, right? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #150

Obviously, you don't live in the US Muriel. Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #155

You think Pope Francis is 'ordinary folk'? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #161

What a crocK! Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #165

You've spent this whole thread defending the Catholic church, and pretending that ordinary members muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #167

Show me one post where I defend the catholic church or any religious organization Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #169

OK: muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #170

I know you can't respond, but another group likes to equate same sex marriage with beatiality Heddi Apr 2014 #188

Funny that none of the scolds skepticscott Apr 2014 #190

And we're back again to skepticscott Apr 2014 #153

I have even less interest in what you have to say about anything, especially my family Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #156

I'm sure you hate the idea of replying with any substance skepticscott Apr 2014 #171

Oh gee. Finally one of his right-wing memes got hidden Heddi Apr 2014 #183

Yes, we saw a former poster here skepticscott Apr 2014 #187

Look what other group thinks that gay marriage is the same as incest and beastiality Heddi Apr 2014 #189

Except you're ignoring very obvious facts Lordquinton Apr 2014 #159

They don't affect me. I am not a Catholic. How do they affect you? Right, they don't. AlbertCat Apr 2014 #84

Not sure why people don't realize that the culture war is over in developed countries eridani Apr 2014 #29

Not to minimize the class struggle, as a socialist it is of importance, the culture war is far... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #47

Look at the polling--opposition to marriage equality is literally dying off eridani Apr 2014 #62

True, but that doesn't mean the legal blocks will fall away at the same rate, in fact... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #63

"We atheists " - snort - Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #174

As opposed to what? A priest? Lint Head Apr 2014 #26

You see, they live within a box of unreality .. what credentials of expertise does he have? YOHABLO Apr 2014 #28

Since I believe esxtended families can be wonderful hollysmom Apr 2014 #30

and the shining armor gets a layer of tarnish rurallib Apr 2014 #52

Correction for the Pope, kids should have loving adults in their lives... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #61

Personally, I try not to shit on single moms and dads, myself. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #73

More Babylonian bulls**t. Dawson Leery Apr 2014 #78

Ha. Back to the faux future. Not so different after all. Smarmie Doofus Apr 2014 #101

OOPS!!! WovenGems Apr 2014 #129

Why doesn't he take that silly pointy hat Politicalboi Apr 2014 #151

Research indicates that children of same-sex couples turn out at least as well, according to all LeftishBrit Apr 2014 #173