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In reply to the discussion: OR couple whose daughter died untreated wants faith-healing beliefs kept from jury [View all]el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)14. It's almost like believers don't have to participate in this thread
You folks have already figured out all the things we might say.
This is an unfortunate situation, and religious belief played a role in it.
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OR couple whose daughter died untreated wants faith-healing beliefs kept from jury [View all]
cleanhippie
Apr 2014
OP
It's not just cults; the massive Copeland televangelist church, their daughter, did the same
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#8
Cult: noun, a religious sect that does something too embarrassing to defend.
Warren Stupidity
Apr 2014
#12
So, Baptists, Catholics, and Protestants cannot simultaneously claim to be christians?
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#74
Pretty sure all three groups would reject the idea that they are worshipping different gods.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#117
So, I see the President as something of a progressive on most issues. Moderate on some, but progress
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#124
Recent estimates say 4% of the population actually attends church regularly. A few more watch it
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#83
Modern Christians desperately try to dissociate themselves from the obvious sins of other churches.
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#90
The judge threw out earlier examples; clearly censoring reality. Probably from religious impulse
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#2
Of course it won't. There is little consistency when it comes to those that say that.
cleanhippie
Apr 2014
#5
Rather than acceptance and confession? Expect violent verbal attacks;character assassination; Denial
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#10
Or? A typical church cover-up. When it is accused of murder - it removes the evidence?
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#11
Lots of times what goes down in writing, and what is said in church, is different
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#33
I have no idea, you're the one claiming there is something special about believing in a god -
trotsky
Apr 2014
#105
Next step to take for what? I asked a question, and the answer seems to be "nothing".
cleanhippie
Apr 2014
#120
Any "agenda" I might have could be summarized thusly: Think critically about our beliefs.
cleanhippie
Apr 2014
#147
Except that you are fairly certain that if i think critically about my beliefs
el_bryanto
Apr 2014
#149
When it gets down to the brass tacks of thinking critically about your beliefs, your response
cleanhippie
Apr 2014
#150
Still, I'd say El Byranto has eventually shown more impartiality and objectivity than many
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#19
I would say their particular brand of religious belief led them directly to it.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#61
Not a good word choice unless of course you are implying that it was their intent to kill their
Leontius
Apr 2014
#29
Probably criminal neglect or manslaughter would be better; or perhaps Murder 2
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#31
Yeah that make so much sense , I always hear people referring to God as "they".
Leontius
Apr 2014
#37
So your take is that they were unable to distinguish reality from their religious delusions
Leontius
Apr 2014
#42
Often believing "absurd" things, even when clear evidence disproves them, is culpable ignorance
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#45
You've asked no question tough or otherwise to evade but you have sidestepped yourself
Leontius
Apr 2014
#52
You apparently didn't retread my post after the edit or are choosing to ignore it.
cleanhippie
Apr 2014
#53
I retreaded it but still no question asked, just four lines of poorly stated opinion is all I see.
Leontius
Apr 2014
#54
Your inability to articulate an advanced thought beyond a childish insult is just sad.
cleanhippie
Apr 2014
#148
Oh please when you go into your childish little act, and you always do, don't try
Leontius
Apr 2014
#154
When your parents get home tell them the mean man called you a childish clown.
Leontius
Apr 2014
#157
Woops! Forgot another evasive technique by believers: quibbling over minor points
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#43
Oh bullshit, the post was plainly referring to the parents not God so any attempt at misdirection
Leontius
Apr 2014
#46
I'm confused, if they don't bring their faith into it, what is their defense?
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#59
Belief in faith-healing is no longer a defense in Oregon. I might guess they'll argue
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#70
Possibly a proper motion in some sense; but it seeks to deny probable motive, and history of accused
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#86
Motive and past criminal history have no place in any criminal trial, with rare, specific exceptions
rug
Apr 2014
#146
Here some legal sources seem to consider motive indirectly, in Murder cases:
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#164
It's not clear to me that the granting of their motion helps them much. Belief in faith-healing
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#81
So what's the insult count up to? Brettongarcia predicted 1,000 insults from believers like myself?
el_bryanto
Apr 2014
#82
Yep - I think all of the child killing believers who post at DU should watch their step. nt
el_bryanto
Apr 2014
#89
Easy to do; when all that involves is going to the doctor a little too late
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#91
Yep - I don't have any kids to kill myself, thank goodness, but please DU Believers
el_bryanto
Apr 2014
#92
Or denying OTHER kids health care; vs. Obamacare say. Or denying foreign aid. Or ..
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#93
If you are not personally guilty, then how about talking to other Christians who might be?
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#95
For those who are, then great. Our present discussion might help with talking points
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#100
Well yes, I agree that your talking points about how religion kills kid is very beneficial
el_bryanto
Apr 2014
#102
Many liberal believers agree that there are at least bad ASPECTS to SOME religion
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#103
My reading of the Bible finds it ordering believers to embrace science, over faith & "religion"
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#145
Faith kills another child: this is an extremely important case, pointing to the key sin in religion
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#88
It wasn't meant as a direct reference to that poster, just the concept of a 'false god'.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#142
Determination of guilt or innocence here will turn on whether the facts presented show
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#159
The couple’s attorneys argued that evidence of their religious beliefs were irrelevant..
nil desperandum
Apr 2014
#134
The charge is manslaughter. But future prosecutors might consider Murder 2?
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#163
The grand jury indicted for manslaughter. On Wednesday I posted a link to the indictment
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#165
Manslaughter seems best, and easy to do. But I'm suggesting future cases consider Murder 2.
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#166