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I'm so sick of these damn cults killing children. LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #1
82 dead kids since 1976. What. The. Fuck. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #3
It's not just cults; the massive Copeland televangelist church, their daughter, did the same Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #8
Cult: noun, a religious sect that does something too embarrassing to defend. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #12
Nothing is too embarrassing skepticscott Apr 2014 #13
Copeland's church is a cult Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #26
define "cult" Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #27
Per the dictionary Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #34
"not part of a larger and more accepted religion" Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #38
Per the dictionary, Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #50
You've wrapped yourself up around the axle of your own argument. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #67
You can't be worshping the same god when Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #71
So, Baptists, Catholics, and Protestants cannot simultaneously claim to be christians? AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #74
Sure, Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #76
Pretty sure all three groups would reject the idea that they are worshipping different gods. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #117
And flat earthers reject that the world is round Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #123
So, I see the President as something of a progressive on most issues. Moderate on some, but progress AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #124
No, because we know Obama ACTUALLY exists Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #138
It's like trying to define the word "blue." MADem Apr 2014 #153
And tithing isn't a 'neat trick for fleecing the flock'? AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #64
Again, I have no problem Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #72
Look at that CDC article, hit control-F and look for the word 'may'. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #73
That's science Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #77
No, that's unpublished speculation. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #115
Sorry, missed that Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #128
A cult with millions of TV viewers/participants? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #30
I heard a better definition than size FiveGoodMen Apr 2014 #41
Copeland claims to have "millions of viewers" Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #79
Recent estimates say 4% of the population actually attends church regularly. A few more watch it Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #83
Actually more influential... Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #122
I don't think shatner EVER had a flat stomach. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #125
Ah, cut him some slack Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #132
Modern Christians desperately try to dissociate themselves from the obvious sins of other churches. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #90
Excellent point Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #131
The judge threw out earlier examples; clearly censoring reality. Probably from religious impulse Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #2
"Who are we to judge their sincerely held beliefs?" Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #4
Of course it won't. There is little consistency when it comes to those that say that. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #5
When did motive become irrelevant in a court of law? LiberalAndProud Apr 2014 #6
Exactly, elleng Apr 2014 #127
These tragic events present a very difficult scenario for some to accept. trotsky Apr 2014 #7
Rather than acceptance and confession? Expect violent verbal attacks;character assassination; Denial Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #10
I spent 3 minutes mining the Googles... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #9
Or? A typical church cover-up. When it is accused of murder - it removes the evidence? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #11
Second hit I came up with Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #28
Lots of times what goes down in writing, and what is said in church, is different Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #33
I agree Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #35
That website makes FR appear state-of-the-art by comparison n/t arcane1 Apr 2014 #49
It's almost like believers don't have to participate in this thread el_bryanto Apr 2014 #14
Thank you Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #15
That said I am a believer and I feel no personal responsibility for this el_bryanto Apr 2014 #16
You have no personal responsibility for this act, that is true. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #17
And yet somehow I sleep just fine. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #18
I don't find that surprising in the least. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #20
We've discussed it plenty - but you set up impossible rhetorical traps el_bryanto Apr 2014 #22
Sounds like someone's complaints skepticscott Apr 2014 #25
I know the answer, do you? cleanhippie Apr 2014 #32
I can give the answer for Christianity el_bryanto Apr 2014 #44
What is it that you see as value that cannot be gotten sucularly? cleanhippie Apr 2014 #51
To me that question is like saying el_bryanto Apr 2014 #55
So what are these "spiritual benefits"? And are they universal? cleanhippie Apr 2014 #57
I think it's a very apt analogy. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #65
No, the analogy is poor. trotsky Apr 2014 #97
It depends on your point of view el_bryanto Apr 2014 #98
Then it's a poor analogy, period. trotsky Apr 2014 #99
Well exactly. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #101
I have no idea, you're the one claiming there is something special about believing in a god - trotsky Apr 2014 #105
Well I'm not literally trying to convert anybody el_bryanto Apr 2014 #106
I dunno, cleanhippie can explain for himself what he thinks. trotsky Apr 2014 #107
I have explained it el_bryanto Apr 2014 #108
Why would I refuse? trotsky Apr 2014 #133
You seem to be making assumptions that you cannot, or will not, prove. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #109
In order to prove my assumptions I'd have to prove the existence of God el_bryanto Apr 2014 #110
I think you are on to something here. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #111
The question is where does the burden of proof lie el_bryanto Apr 2014 #112
The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #113
We are both making claims aren't we? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #114
No, we are not. I'm asking a question. You are making a claim. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #118
I cannot prove my claims about the existence of God el_bryanto Apr 2014 #119
Next step to take for what? I asked a question, and the answer seems to be "nothing". cleanhippie Apr 2014 #120
You get to it there at the end of your post. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #121
I cannot tell you how to live your life. That is up to you. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #137
Well I see hypothetical merits in that argument if there is no God. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #139
Any "agenda" I might have could be summarized thusly: Think critically about our beliefs. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #147
Except that you are fairly certain that if i think critically about my beliefs el_bryanto Apr 2014 #149
When it gets down to the brass tacks of thinking critically about your beliefs, your response cleanhippie Apr 2014 #150
Thank you - I'm glad you acknowledged it. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #151
No, you get credit for thinking critically when you think critically. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #156
In your opinion - and of course that's not exactly what I said el_bryanto Apr 2014 #158
Prove it. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #161
Still, I'd say El Byranto has eventually shown more impartiality and objectivity than many Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #19
I woul agree that EB is one of the most reasonable believers here. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #21
Nor do I hold you personally responsible. LiberalAndProud Apr 2014 #23
'Played a role in it'. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #58
Ah - so tell me - I'm always excited to learn el_bryanto Apr 2014 #60
I would say their particular brand of religious belief led them directly to it. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #61
Is this thread intended to be a condemnation of religion in general? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #62
Very few faiths actually have this sort of prohibition. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #63
Here's a practical example. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #66
Murderers, that's what they are, EvilAL Apr 2014 #24
Not a good word choice unless of course you are implying that it was their intent to kill their Leontius Apr 2014 #29
Probably criminal neglect or manslaughter would be better; or perhaps Murder 2 Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #31
Perhaps he means God is the murderer? cleanhippie Apr 2014 #36
Yeah that make so much sense , I always hear people referring to God as "they". Leontius Apr 2014 #37
Whoosh! Goes the point over your head. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #39
So your take is that they were unable to distinguish reality from their religious delusions Leontius Apr 2014 #42
Often believing "absurd" things, even when clear evidence disproves them, is culpable ignorance Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #45
Lol. Hardly. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #48
You've asked no question tough or otherwise to evade but you have sidestepped yourself Leontius Apr 2014 #52
You apparently didn't retread my post after the edit or are choosing to ignore it. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #53
I retreaded it but still no question asked, just four lines of poorly stated opinion is all I see. Leontius Apr 2014 #54
You see what you want to, I guess. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #56
Clowns gotta do what they do and you seem good at it. Leontius Apr 2014 #140
Your inability to articulate an advanced thought beyond a childish insult is just sad. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #148
Oh please when you go into your childish little act, and you always do, don't try Leontius Apr 2014 #154
Lol. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #155
When your parents get home tell them the mean man called you a childish clown. Leontius Apr 2014 #157
Lol. Project much? cleanhippie Apr 2014 #160
Elohim is plural, often Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #40
Woops! Forgot another evasive technique by believers: quibbling over minor points Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #43
Oh bullshit, the post was plainly referring to the parents not God so any attempt at misdirection Leontius Apr 2014 #46
Second degree murderers then. EvilAL Apr 2014 #47
I'm confused, if they don't bring their faith into it, what is their defense? AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #59
Belief in faith-healing is no longer a defense in Oregon. I might guess they'll argue struggle4progress Apr 2014 #70
I agree. elleng Apr 2014 #129
I love how these people wear their religion on their sleeves ladywnch Apr 2014 #68
Some additional details from the press: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #69
What are you complaing about now, the legal strategy or their religious belief? rug Apr 2014 #75
Possibly a proper motion in some sense; but it seeks to deny probable motive, and history of accused Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #86
Motive and past criminal history have no place in any criminal trial, with rare, specific exceptions rug Apr 2014 #146
Here some legal sources seem to consider motive indirectly, in Murder cases: Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #164
The information about... 3catwoman3 Apr 2014 #78
There is nothing unique in the motion in question. okasha Apr 2014 #80
It's not clear to me that the granting of their motion helps them much. Belief in faith-healing struggle4progress Apr 2014 #81
So what's the insult count up to? Brettongarcia predicted 1,000 insults from believers like myself? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #82
A cautionary word forestalled them. But cumulatively, over time? : ) Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #84
Yes - there were a lot of cautionary words I noticed el_bryanto Apr 2014 #85
Particularly when they are killing children Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #87
Yep - I think all of the child killing believers who post at DU should watch their step. nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #89
Easy to do; when all that involves is going to the doctor a little too late Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #91
Yep - I don't have any kids to kill myself, thank goodness, but please DU Believers el_bryanto Apr 2014 #92
Or denying OTHER kids health care; vs. Obamacare say. Or denying foreign aid. Or .. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #93
Ah - So you are saying we DU Believers should support liberal policies? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #94
If you are not personally guilty, then how about talking to other Christians who might be? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #95
How do you know that I'm not? nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #96
For those who are, then great. Our present discussion might help with talking points Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #100
Well yes, I agree that your talking points about how religion kills kid is very beneficial el_bryanto Apr 2014 #102
Many liberal believers agree that there are at least bad ASPECTS to SOME religion Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #103
Why are you pretending that you are ok with liberal / DU believers el_bryanto Apr 2014 #104
My reading of the Bible finds it ordering believers to embrace science, over faith & "religion" Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #145
Faith kills another child: this is an extremely important case, pointing to the key sin in religion Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #88
"And their false idea of God moreover" AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #116
You really got the wrong guy. Leontius Apr 2014 #141
It wasn't meant as a direct reference to that poster, just the concept of a 'false god'. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #142
But isn't your POV that all gods are essentially false? Leontius Apr 2014 #143
Just one more than any other monotheist. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #144
They think 'negligence' is a better defense??? elleng Apr 2014 #126
I'm sure every criminal would like evidence against them disallowed Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #130
Makes me think of the hundreds SevenSixtyTwo Apr 2014 #135
Indeed Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #136
Determination of guilt or innocence here will turn on whether the facts presented show struggle4progress Apr 2014 #159
What about intentional neglect? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #162
The couple’s attorneys argued that evidence of their religious beliefs were irrelevant.. nil desperandum Apr 2014 #134
The charges are first and second degree manslaughter struggle4progress Apr 2014 #152
The charge is manslaughter. But future prosecutors might consider Murder 2? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #163
The grand jury indicted for manslaughter. On Wednesday I posted a link to the indictment struggle4progress Apr 2014 #165
Manslaughter seems best, and easy to do. But I'm suggesting future cases consider Murder 2. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #166
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