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Heddi

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1. It was just pointed out here in our very own religion forum

Reply to Humanist_Activist (Original post)

Tue Apr 29, 2014, 06:18 PM

Apr 2014

that as long as someone TRULY BELIEVES that there is a biological, social or cultural reasons reasons to support their position, we really can't criticize their beliefs, no matter how abhorrent those beliefs are.

Also, we should keep in mind (according to that same poster) that "The attitude towards GLBT civil rights is also a rapidly changing dynamic. Are all the people who opposed it in the past homophobic? Probably, but not necessarily. It may have been a position based on some false premises, lack of understanding and a dearth of exposure to GLBT people. "

So see, homophobia and racial bigotry are just a "lack of understanding" and those people may even have biological, social, and/or cultural reasons to support their positions.

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Opinion on this video? The Third Way: Homosexuality and the Catholic Church [View all] Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 OP

It was just pointed out here in our very own religion forum Heddi Apr 2014 #1

What a vile little video Warpy Apr 2014 #2

Does tolerance and inclusiveness of a variety of religious beliefs fit into cbayer Apr 2014 #4

Bigots don't. Warpy Apr 2014 #5

That wasn't really the question. cbayer Apr 2014 #6

However, that is the answer. Warpy Apr 2014 #7

I don't like it because it doesn't answer my question. cbayer Apr 2014 #8

Your question was answered in my first post Warpy Apr 2014 #9

Not if their belief includes bigotry. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #50

Do you think one can be bigoted against the religious? cbayer May 2014 #54

Against people, yes. Against ideas, no. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #57

So, should those that are bigoted against religious people also check their cbayer May 2014 #59

Yeah. Fortunately I'm not one of those people. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #60

I am not conflating people with ideas, though the distinction cbayer May 2014 #62

Within that narrow qualification, yes. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #64

I am presuming that the narrow qualification you reference cbayer May 2014 #66

I'm not going to play word games. In the context of this thread, it is not wrong, or bigotry, to AtheistCrusader May 2014 #67

I am not playing words games, only trying to come to some agreement cbayer May 2014 #68

Well, membership isn't actually a predictor. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #69

Absolutely agree - membership is not a predictor. cbayer May 2014 #70

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My Thoughts: Back to square one. David says... at the end... "I'm NOT 'gay'; I'm *Catholic*." Smarmie Doofus Apr 2014 #3

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So what did you think about the video? octoberlib Apr 2014 #13

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Oh, dear. Methinks you are not going to last long around here. cbayer Apr 2014 #17

I thought it was Catholic propaganda. octoberlib Apr 2014 #18

Where to start malokvale77 Apr 2014 #10

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Instead of beating around the proverbial burning bush William769 Apr 2014 #16

The truth has set you free! William769 Apr 2014 #21

It was gone before I could toy with it a bit. malokvale77 Apr 2014 #24

We are very good at taking out the trash in a timely manner. William769 Apr 2014 #25

Yes you are (nt) malokvale77 Apr 2014 #28

Boo, I didn't even get a chance to respond. That's no fun. Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #26

When I smell that kind of heaping pile of stink... malokvale77 Apr 2014 #27

Ehh, whenever I feel like really arguing with people, I go on Reddit, Patheos... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #29

Somethings make my "polite" disappear malokvale77 Apr 2014 #30

Yeah, sometimes I really have to restrain myself from saying "Fuck you" to some of the... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #31

It ain't easy... malokvale77 Apr 2014 #32

Oh, you are such a delight malokvale77 Apr 2014 #22

Can I get a readers digest version? LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #19

Also, some of them put out personal theories as to why they "suffer" same sex attraction... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #20

... LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #23

It's all part and parcel of accepting the idea that homosexuality is a 'sin'. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #61

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Response Robert_Caritas May 2014 #34

Welcome to DU. rug May 2014 #35

Its rather difficult to separate the two when the RCC actively campaigns to restrict the rights... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #38

Nevertheless, they are two different things. rug May 2014 #39

Yes, then I grew out of it... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #42

Thanks Robert_Caritas May 2014 #48

If the RCC didn't spend so much time and money campaigning/lobbying on this AtheistCrusader May 2014 #63

Oh, I'm sure many here would have issues with the RCC regardless. rug May 2014 #75

Welcome to DU gopiscrap May 2014 #36

Thanks Robert_Caritas May 2014 #47

You're welcome gopiscrap May 2014 #49

For most human beings, sexuality and physical intimacy are necessary... trotsky May 2014 #40

And exactly what do you have to support your claim that "inside is raw, ugly hatred"? rug May 2014 #41

Your Church treats homosexuality as a pathology, that is the ugly truth. Humanist_Activist May 2014 #44

As did psychiatry until 1986. rug May 2014 #45

The American Psychiatric Ass'n removed it from their list of mental disorders in 1973, actually Rob H. May 2014 #58

It was in Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, rug May 2014 #73

Sorry, no Rob H. May 2014 #80

Read your own excerpt. It was not considered a paraphila after 1973 but it remained a " disorder". rug May 2014 #81

Oh, come on Rob H. May 2014 #84

"Ego-dystonic homosexuality" was not a "term". It was a psychiatric diagnosis. rug May 2014 #85

Fair enough Rob H. May 2014 #86

No but it shows again you can't wrap a rotten fish in newspaper and expect it will no longer stink. rug May 2014 #87

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here nt Rob H. May 2014 #88

The 1973 reclassification was expected to result in a more enlightened diagnosis. rug May 2014 #89

Ah, gotcha Rob H. May 2014 #90

"Do you think inside the APA's erroneous diagnosis was "raw, ugly hatred"" AtheistCrusader May 2014 #65

Add ignorance to the list, doesn't excuse the others, of course. n/t Humanist_Activist May 2014 #71

How many medical diagnoses do you think are fueled by raw, ugly hatred? rug May 2014 #74

Quite a lot probably were. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #76

A couple of thoughts, so far... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #43

Thanks, for your reply. Robert_Caritas May 2014 #46

I will say that the biggest issue I have with this whole argument is this... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #53

I get that, Robert_Caritas May 2014 #82

Marriage is neither natural, nor was it always monogamous, nor is it from your God... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #83

That was a poor response to my post. Robert_Caritas May 2014 #91

Asking for evidence for your claims is a poor response? n/t Humanist_Activist May 2014 #92

"I feel that this goes to the crux of the problems I have with religion in general, it interferes Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #51

I am going to again challenge you on your statement that "religion in this country cbayer May 2014 #55

As is your "belief" that religion does more good than harm. trotsky May 2014 #72

Maybe it will get better. (sigh) nt Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #77

It's getting better, Sarah. cbayer May 2014 #78

I didn't watch the video... MellowDem May 2014 #93

Sorry about the late reply. Robert_Caritas May 2014 #94

Actually Goacher May 2014 #95

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That presents a big problem then Plantaganet May 2014 #99

Woah... Plantaganet May 2014 #101

The Bible is explicitly bigoted... MellowDem May 2014 #96

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I'm just a heretic. hunter May 2014 #37

I am not even sure these are anechdotes............ auntsue May 2014 #52

I haven't been able to watch the video, but I sure cbayer May 2014 #56

What a repulsive video... rexcat May 2014 #79

Queer Catholics and 'The Third Way' HuffPost-Gay Voices JPatrickRedmond May 2014 #102