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In reply to the discussion: If you cannot disprove the existence of God, or prove the existence of God [View all]demwing
(16,916 posts)121. Sorry - here's a quick breakdown
A team of divers are watching a school of manta rays. A wild dolphin approaches them, lingering around the divers. It approaches on diver, and roll on its side, revealing a tangle of fishing wire and hook. The dolphin patiently allows the diver to cut away the wire, takes a break for a breath of air, and returns so the diver can complete the task.
The dolphin is aware of the injury, and responds by seeking assistance from the only things in the water that can help. Fear is overcome by reason. Not only do I see self-awareness there, but I see an example of an evolutionary advantage. Self-awareness opens the door for self-preservation.
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If you cannot disprove the existence of God, or prove the existence of God [View all]
Peacetrain
Apr 2014
OP
While I agree with you, I think you are missing the point to the Religion Forum nt
el_bryanto
Apr 2014
#1
So maybe atheism is ironically the latest and truest expression of God; would that be bad?
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#141
Of all the inane things I have read in this group, this is possibly the most inane ever.
cbayer
Apr 2014
#148
That could be really entertaining, but this particular one really takes the cake, imo.
cbayer
Apr 2014
#161
it is so tough for us mundane people to meet your very lofty standards.
Warren Stupidity
May 2014
#297
Did someone here say they were trying to, or could disprove the existence of one or many gods?
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#8
Damn that guy. He's so quick, you can't even see his posts zip in and out of the thread.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#15
If you cannot disprove the existence of Sarah Palin's god, or prove the existence of yours...
trotsky
Apr 2014
#9
Which is an excellent reason to keep her the hell away from political power.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#18
Palin can believe she wants to.. but her beliefs stop at the end of her nose
Peacetrain
Apr 2014
#12
If religion was, as you seem to think, just "beliefs that stop at your nose"
Warren Stupidity
Apr 2014
#32
Like when for example the RCC acts to promote laws that discriminate against LGBTQ people?
Warren Stupidity
Apr 2014
#60
Did I say that's all there is? No, but you are acting like that is what I said.
Warren Stupidity
Apr 2014
#67
Stand up and clearly voice opposition to what is wrong would be a start.
Warren Stupidity
Apr 2014
#75
All I know about Sara Palin's religion is that I don't want to be baptized into it. (nt)
stone space
May 2014
#275
Is using ones personal belief system as the basis for legislation and policy harmful?
cleanhippie
Apr 2014
#30
If the existence of other life outside our planet cannot be proven or disproven...
cbayer
Apr 2014
#28
Having been caught in her own gotcha, the victim mode gambit is now in play.
Warren Stupidity
Apr 2014
#62
the question of the existence of life on other planets can be stated as a falsifiable theory
Warren Stupidity
Apr 2014
#38
You don't, you falsify the theory that there is no life outside of our planet.
Warren Stupidity
Apr 2014
#130
SOME atheists do not say there is no God; they perhaps merely are disinterested in one
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#151
Many (I would risk saying 'most') caricatures of gods demand some form of allegiance or faith.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#166
Certain religions make very precise claims about the nature of the universe.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#179
The religious right is losing ground, imo. edited to avoid starting another subthread.
cbayer
Apr 2014
#189
Do you really consider an equivalence between passing a law based on a religious tenet, and me
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#188
But if God exists, and wanted us to believe in him? Just showing himself would do it.
Brettongarcia
May 2014
#203
Most of those claims of evidence/messengers occured long before I was born.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#171
But their vague God is demonstrably not the Biblical one. Who constantly demands "proof"s of himself
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#143
Then God says "Put me to the test" in Mal. 3.10; "test everything" (1 THess. 5.21?)
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#152
But 1) there is much in God that seems clearly outlined; things not so "mysterious"
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#185
Pointing that out to them, just the way you have done here, is one very useful thing to do.
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#191
One thing you can do is to realize that objective proof of God existence or non-existence
ladjf
Apr 2014
#82
Seems we CAN prove the non-existence of God. In "What if God's Existence Were Proven," recentDU post
Brettongarcia
May 2014
#307
tests for self awareness in non humans have been passed by a surprising variety of animals.
Warren Stupidity
Apr 2014
#104
"And if you don't see the relevance of the questions, feel 100% free to not answer them "
merrily
Apr 2014
#140
I think the source of life on this planet can be satisfactorily explained by evolution.
cbayer
Apr 2014
#102
Well that is a common misconception. Evolution does not provide an explanation for the origin
Warren Stupidity
Apr 2014
#107
When we talk about the source of life, we have to limit the talk to the life that we know ...
Jim__
Apr 2014
#136
The only thing I would disagree with is that I don't know that there is any inevitability about ...
Jim__
Apr 2014
#199
Sorry to hear that you are having health problems. I hope everything is alright now.
Jim__
May 2014
#270
I might make an attempt to challenge and/or educate them as to why this constitutes
cbayer
Apr 2014
#150
First come up with a definition of "God" that we can all agree upon...
Flying Squirrel
Apr 2014
#125
The fact that no one has proven anything either way does not weigh evenly on both sides.
merrily
Apr 2014
#127
"Act of Reparation?" notes that if you can't prove God ... then believers are wrong too.
Brettongarcia
May 2014
#204
Now worded a little more unequivocally though: firm believers in God are simply wrong
Brettongarcia
May 2014
#215
But 1) many people here object to the premise: that God cannot be proved, or disproved.
Brettongarcia
May 2014
#237
You also cannot disprove the existence of god in the form of a monkey, or in the form of a pig, or
DrewFlorida
Apr 2014
#195
How in the hell did such a blindingly obvious logical fallacy get to 200 posts?
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#201
You have to look at it from an Atheist point of view - or the point of view of some Atheists
el_bryanto
May 2014
#209
Disagreeing with, or arguing with someone, even sans decorum, is not *force*.
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#217
That's because it is not intellectually honest to weight proving and disproving god the same.
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#223
You bring up a really important point that I have been mulling over the last 2 days.
cbayer
May 2014
#228
There is no 'atheist tribe'. If there is, I am not aware of it, and did not recieve my invitation.
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#230
Without a tribe to identify with, your point is meaningless. Try again.
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#236
Yeah, keep your fingers in your ears and chanting NANANANANAAA I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#248
I have never said anything, but everyone has a right to believe as they choose
Peacetrain
May 2014
#252
Boy, you just 'read' shit that other people don't say all the time don't you?
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#257
Broaching the subject with people who by and large, base their worldview in reason, with a logical f
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#214
How would you suggest it be phrased then - to communicate that idea without
el_bryanto
May 2014
#221
I know very few Theists who claim to have a proof of the existence of God.
stone space
May 2014
#294
Claiming to know God is not an offer of proof. Hell, my wife might qualify for that, but she's...
stone space
May 2014
#301
Mathematically. I'm pretty sure that we didn't agree that it couldn't be done.
stone space
May 2014
#322
Usually what people seem to mean by a "negative" is a universally quantified statement.
stone space
May 2014
#338
I claimed that God doesn't exist, but I didn't claim that I had a proof that God doesn't exist.
stone space
May 2014
#345
See, you just said "most" then brought up fundies and the taliban as your examples.
cbayer
May 2014
#280
Some people live thier lives believing that god exists and has precepts they must accept, and impose
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#287
I have a pretty good idea of what it means to prove something. That's probably why I seldom...
stone space
May 2014
#323
No, what I mean is that I try very hard not to claim to be able to prove things that...
stone space
May 2014
#331
Actually, if I understand your question correctly, you should probably take it as a "yes" from me.
stone space
May 2014
#332
I don't think that you understand what mathematicians do for a living. (nt)
stone space
May 2014
#346
Feel free to show me what a proof of the existence of God or the non-existence of God looks like.
stone space
May 2014
#348
As noted, and now confirmed, you have no clue what you even mean by "proof"
skepticscott
May 2014
#349
Yes, when all else fails to get a straight, non-passive aggressive answer
skepticscott
May 2014
#355
You chould try email. It works better for private conversations that posting in a public forum.
stone space
May 2014
#356