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el_bryanto

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102. I'm not drinking the alcohol if I use it to cook

Mon May 5, 2014, 04:32 PM

May 2014

I'm eating it.

There are trace amounts of alcohol in almost anything with sugar - in particular most forms of juice will have some portion of them fermenting and creating alcohol. Negligible amounts in most cases. And then there is vinegar which I also use in cooking and dressings. Some medications also have alcohol as part of them - Nyquil for example. I can partake of all those things while honestly answering that I live by the Word of Wisdom.

What I don't do is drink alcohol that is prepare for the purposes of getting drunk or of altering your mental state; as I take that to be the purpose of that prohibition.

As for the latter question, that goes more towards thoughtless rather than dishonest. I kind of accept that on the thoughtless / dishonest spectrum that Warren Stupidity cooked up and that you have apparently bought into, I'm going to be some percentage of thoughtless and dishonest. And I'd rather be thoughtless. But I have tried coffee and thought it was awful so I don't really desire to try it again.

I should point out that tea is generally taken, by practice, to mean tea made from the tea leaf; herbal teas are ok. And I do enjoy herbal teas during our short winter season.

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Today in the Religion Forum I learned: [View all] Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 OP

I learned the depth of the dishonesty of posters who rearrange others' words in lieu of argument. rug Apr 2014 #1

Warren, that is not the takeaway, my friend. The takeaway is the willful ignorance cleanhippie Apr 2014 #2

Yes I've noticed that it's only the believers/religionists who engage in thinly veiled insults el_bryanto Apr 2014 #4

I don't 'thinly veil' my reaction to outright bigotry, or apologia thereof. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #7

Apologia in this case meaning someone who is a believer and chooses to el_bryanto Apr 2014 #9

If belief is part and parcel of, for instance, calling same sex marriage a sin. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #11

So any Catholic who doesn't condemn the Pope, I take it. nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #12

I'm open to alternate interpretations if they are logically sound and well reasoned. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #14

I'm a Mormon - I'll speculate that probably isn't much better from your perspective. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #16

Depends. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #17

Both religions absolutely refuse to let women have any leadership positions at all. No change. Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2014 #27

Oh, absolutely. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #30

The problem with the LDS flavor of revision, nothing is learned. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #36

I was not aware of that aspect. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #37

Well, the fantastic part about the whole thing is... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #38

HeyDon't forget what an important place the penis - and circumcision - had for Judaism & for Christ! Brettongarcia May 2014 #39

Yes and it's barbaric and unnecessary. Manifestor_of_Light May 2014 #44

I agree. Just being sarcastic. Brettongarcia May 2014 #55

my Wife's side of the family is fully mormon. Phlem May 2014 #77

Gosh I'm sorry a bunch of people I've never met treated you poorly. el_bryanto May 2014 #78

Right and they're not all influenced by the same religion. Phlem May 2014 #79

What am I supposed to say? el_bryanto May 2014 #80

Yes, I have yet to meet the latter no matter how kind and gentle they front. Phlem May 2014 #82

Well there's little point to being embarrassed about it el_bryanto May 2014 #84

You say you dislike bigotry Starboard Tack May 2014 #121

I've met quite a few horrendous bigots who are superficially Warren Stupidity May 2014 #122

What's your point Warren? Starboard Tack May 2014 #124

You seem to have claimed that being all nice and everything Warren Stupidity May 2014 #125

Excuse me! Which side of your mouth should I respond to? Starboard Tack May 2014 #127

What's wrong? Phlem May 2014 #131

i'll use fewer words. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #135

ok, so what exactly are you saying? Starboard Tack May 2014 #136

nice does not mean not bigoted. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #137

Got it! Loud and clear! Starboard Tack May 2014 #138

Dude Phlem May 2014 #132

Oh sorry. I thought you were talking about people, not beliefs. Starboard Tack May 2014 #145

... Phlem May 2014 #146

So sorry if I'm not operating on your schedule. I have a life and probably a different time zone. Starboard Tack May 2014 #153

Richard Dawkins is unfailingly polite. rug May 2014 #134

Oh, OK then, cause you've walked a mile in my shoes. Phlem May 2014 #123

No, I haven't walked a yard in your shoes. Starboard Tack May 2014 #126

Man you really just don't get it and I'm not going to spell it out. Phlem May 2014 #129

I'm not trying to prove anything Starboard Tack May 2014 #133

I. haven't walked in your. shoes, either. okasha May 2014 #128

That's great! Phlem May 2014 #130

I have yet to see you object to atheistic bigotry Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #139

Keep reading. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #140

I did. You have not shown the slightest disapproval of atheist bigotry Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #141

I'm not your pet monkey. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #142

Translation Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #143

Again, I am not your pet monkey. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #144

In other words Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #154

You have just as much access to the site search feature as I do. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #157

No, you are not my servant nor my pet. You are, however, my opponent in a debate Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #161

You made the assertion. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #162

No YOU made the assertion that you opposed all bigotry. Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #165

I didn't refuse to answer. I refused to do your homework for your claim. (I've never seen therefore AtheistCrusader May 2014 #166

In Other Words, you make an ugly accusation then insist your victim prove their innocence. cleanhippie May 2014 #158

All I ask him to do was show -- or at least say -- he opposed atheistic bigotry Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #160

Maybe you should just read more. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #163

Translation: AtheistCrusader will not support his assertion Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #164

I explicitly answered this claim four hours before you posted this. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #167

I learned that b/c no one can prove or disprove the existence of god, both camps are equally wrong Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #3

Probably Hardball. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #8

FOX News, I think, pioneered the "both sides are equal" reporting concept. trotsky Apr 2014 #10

This is pretty amusing el_bryanto Apr 2014 #13

Well, you yourself have claimed there is something you have that non-believers never will. trotsky Apr 2014 #15

I said that when pressed - that's not exactly the missionary fever el_bryanto Apr 2014 #18

Pascal's Wager is morally bankrupt. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #19

Pascal's Wager? trotsky Apr 2014 #20

I guess Pascal's wager was poorly chosen - was on my way to lunch el_bryanto Apr 2014 #21

As compared to the overall generic believer, it's hard to say. trotsky Apr 2014 #22

There's an interesting blindspot I have when it comes to atheism el_bryanto May 2014 #41

So you don't believe this: Warren Stupidity May 2014 #54

I don't really care to debate scriptures and how best to apply them in our lives el_bryanto May 2014 #57

and there it is. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #59

What dishonesty are you talking about? As far as I know everything i said was factual. el_bryanto May 2014 #60

Having read your comments below here you go el_bryanto May 2014 #64

I see you posted your argument in favor of believers being thoughtless and dishonest el_bryanto May 2014 #66

Let me ask you something. trotsky May 2014 #67

Someone who is intellectual dishonest is dishonest - either because they are too el_bryanto May 2014 #68

Well, if you can read his mind then I have nothing more to say. n/t trotsky May 2014 #69

Because it's not a defensible position el_bryanto May 2014 #70

I guess it depends on your answers to questions about your faith. trotsky May 2014 #71

That's an interesting question el_bryanto May 2014 #72

Is it a real, physical planet like Earth? n/t trotsky May 2014 #73

I believe so. el_bryanto May 2014 #74

When happens when your planet (if you have one) gets consumed by a supernova? trotsky May 2014 #75

I don't really have an answer to that question. el_bryanto May 2014 #76

The people on the planet that a Mormon ends up running... trotsky May 2014 #81

Well it's not really a core belief el_bryanto May 2014 #83

I think it's highly intellectually dishonest... trotsky May 2014 #85

I haven't discarded any beliefs from my religion el_bryanto May 2014 #86

Do you wear the special underwear? trotsky May 2014 #88

Yes yes and yes el_bryanto May 2014 #90

Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin, as your church teaches? n/t trotsky May 2014 #91

All sex outside of Marriage is a sin including el_bryanto May 2014 #92

Do you believe that Thomas Monson is your prophet, and that he speaks for god? trotsky May 2014 #93

Yes and yes el_bryanto May 2014 #94

Didn't think I needed to rub it in, it's obvious that you're not quite honest with that one. trotsky May 2014 #95

There are varying interpretations of that one el_bryanto May 2014 #96

Already made the point that being intellectually dishonest is not the same as being a liar. trotsky May 2014 #97

OK - which policies do I acknowledge but disregard for myself? el_bryanto May 2014 #98

Not following the dietary rules for one. trotsky May 2014 #99

OK -lets stick with that one el_bryanto May 2014 #100

I consider the Mormon Church's website to be a pretty good indicator of what those laws are. trotsky May 2014 #101

I'm not drinking the alcohol if I use it to cook el_bryanto May 2014 #102

That's intellectually dishonest. trotsky May 2014 #112

It's intellectually dishonest because I fail to live up to your interpretation of el_bryanto May 2014 #113

You are correct in one thing. trotsky May 2014 #114

Yep - once again you declare yourself the winner and end the discussion. el_bryanto May 2014 #115

I thought it was pretty clear you had declared yourself the victor. trotsky May 2014 #116

Well, and lets be fair - accusing me and all believers of being thoughtless and dishonest el_bryanto May 2014 #117

Yup, you win! trotsky May 2014 #118

Yeah cause that's exactly what I said. el_bryanto May 2014 #119

I could say the same thing. n/t trotsky May 2014 #120

Do you oppose marriage equality? Warren Stupidity May 2014 #110

No - I don't see any argument against marriage equality that isn't based strictly on el_bryanto May 2014 #111

I would categorize that exchange as "thoughtless". Warren Stupidity May 2014 #87

Hmm, yes, you do have a good point there. trotsky May 2014 #89

yes. Not believing in bullshit is a positive benefit. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #25

As shown by Ayn Rand, Charles Krauthammer and David Silverman. rug May 2014 #56

so you are softening your position? Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #24

I've tried not to stereotype all atheists el_bryanto Apr 2014 #28

your former position that all believers are thoughtless and or dishonest was alone AlbertCat May 2014 #45

Well in the case of Warren Stupidity el_bryanto May 2014 #47

So far, in this forum, my conjecture about theists remains true. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #48

Just in this forum or in real life as well? el_bryanto May 2014 #49

oh real life too, but for the most part discussions about faith and belief don't happen. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #50

Thank you for responding. el_bryanto May 2014 #52

all believers are thoughtless and/or dishonest. AlbertCat May 2014 #51

I salute your moral courage. el_bryanto May 2014 #53

Well that is my point. I have yet to have a discussion here on faith and belief with a believer Warren Stupidity May 2014 #58

I have come to the conclusion that to a degree, we are not using the same language. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #61

A couple of points el_bryanto May 2014 #62

Oh I think there is willful dishonesty on actual beliefs. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #63

I responded to your question above. el_bryanto May 2014 #65

Pascal's Wager has a flaw even Pascal noted Prophet 451 May 2014 #152

You know what, Phlem May 2014 #104

Interesting though; this means that firm believers also have to be wrong. Brettongarcia May 2014 #40

Could you post a link to statement #1? Who made that argument? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #5

You do agree that "because there is no way to prove or disprove Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #23

I didn't see a link to it and I didn't come across it el_bryanto Apr 2014 #29

Well, the poster doesn't profess to be a believer but. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #31

Ah so you think that poster was literally arguing that there is no life on other planets el_bryanto Apr 2014 #32

That is exactly what was argued. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #33

It was a broken analogy. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #35

It was a broken analogy. AlbertCat May 2014 #46

It's been a fascinating week, hasn't it? AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #6

Today I learned that rejecting bigotry, makes me a bigot myself. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #26

I've learned that a lot on DU. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #34

Today is revealing yet more fascinating truths! AtheistCrusader May 2014 #42

Link please? nt el_bryanto May 2014 #43

The thing I've learned over time is Phlem May 2014 #109

Maybe I watched too much Sci-Fi; but ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #103

Why not? Pieces of mars have ended up on earth long before human spaceflight of any sort. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #105

Because, maybe, I've watched too much Sci-Fi. ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #106

Fair enough. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #107

I never really got over my middle school view of ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #108

Today I learned I am far too trusting LostOne4Ever May 2014 #147

FWIW Goblinmonger May 2014 #148

Too Trusting!? Phlem May 2014 #149

3. It's Phlem May 2014 #150

What the huh? Prophet 451 May 2014 #151

I agree that (2) was just astounding. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #155

Even as a believer, I don't follow it Prophet 451 May 2014 #156

well, the problem is really "wagon circling". Warren Stupidity May 2014 #159