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ellisonz

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83. How likely? When is it likely to be resolved?

Wed Mar 7, 2012, 01:23 AM

Mar 2012

Is this not an act of faith that is as much as the "supernatural invention" you accuse me of? What is this progress leading too?

Philosophy is a reliable mode of inquiry in this matter as much as science is in answering this question. The preoccupation with proving something that likely cannot be/has not been proved borders on paranoia. Accept things for what they are, both inexplicable and explicable, as a paradox. This is not to stall progress, this is to ask better questions, that lead to more tangential answers. This is not a game, this is life.

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Why the Universe Obviously Has a Creator (and Why Some Atheists Refuse to Even Consider It) [View all] ellisonz Mar 2012 OP

nothing "obvious" and certainly not a "truth" lol - I belive it therefor it is msongs Mar 2012 #1

But...but...but... laconicsax Mar 2012 #3

1 Plus 1 Equals 2 1ProudAtheist Mar 2012 #29

... laconicsax Mar 2012 #2

"Anyone want to count the fallacies and factual errors?" I'd rather count fire ants, but sure. saras Mar 2012 #15

And that isn't even the whole article! laconicsax Mar 2012 #18

I'm not smart enough to understand it... mindwalker_i Mar 2012 #25

LOL, yup Skittles Mar 2012 #16

Same fallacy as all ID. What are the odds of a magical sky being? DirkGently Mar 2012 #4

Don't forget the huge leap that's always glossed over. laconicsax Mar 2012 #5

So many fallacies, so little time. But, yeah. DirkGently Mar 2012 #6

And don't forget Leap #2 skepticscott Mar 2012 #39

And same responses from the random universe crowd. zeemike Mar 2012 #21

It's also possible that we're part of a computer simulation. laconicsax Mar 2012 #30

that is what I ment by the same responses zeemike Mar 2012 #33

Well, if it's old and a "philosophy of the east," it must be unquestionably true. laconicsax Mar 2012 #34

Again...same response. zeemike Mar 2012 #35

I'm discussing this at the level you set in your initial post. laconicsax Mar 2012 #36

And those flaws are? zeemike Mar 2012 #37

The errors are factual and logical. laconicsax Mar 2012 #38

But you can't tell us what facts you think are wrong. zeemike Mar 2012 #45

Here's what you got wrong: laconicsax Mar 2012 #48

Well I take that back...it is explainable zeemike Mar 2012 #55

I suggest that you don't understand the basics because you say terrifically ignorant things. laconicsax Mar 2012 #58

All theories tama Mar 2012 #66

And? But? So? Therefore? laconicsax Mar 2012 #67

Therefore tama Mar 2012 #94

Sure, ok, why not? laconicsax Mar 2012 #101

Have you ever read the Bhagavad-Gita? zeemike Mar 2012 #68

Ancient texts can always be made to say whatever you want. laconicsax Mar 2012 #71

Well I don;t want to impress you zeemike Mar 2012 #99

Too bad...you have impressed me. laconicsax Mar 2012 #102

Actually there is a good argument that it is highly probable that we are part Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #74

Yeah, I've seen several good arguments. laconicsax Mar 2012 #76

Yeah, I never get that one either Ron Obvious Mar 2012 #70

It's worse than that. What are the odds of EXACTLY ONE magical sky being? saras Mar 2012 #100

Far as it goes, the Ancient Aliens people make more sense to me. DirkGently Mar 2012 #104

C'mon. The more power HUMANS have, the more they act like this... saras Mar 2012 #105

I just find it funny that when I tell people my theory they get all defensive Drale Mar 2012 #7

I heard someone on NPR refer to "people who believe in UFOs" DirkGently Mar 2012 #11

Wouldn't any aliens in a UFO have to be intelligent? Drale Mar 2012 #17

Ha! As opposed to just "Unidentified Flying Objects." DirkGently Mar 2012 #19

Well, just to play Anti-FSM's advocate for a second OriginalGeek Mar 2012 #107

Deal yourself 13 cards from a standard deck. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #8

I like that one. Odds of anything being exactly the way it is are astronomical. DirkGently Mar 2012 #9

I got 1/(6.35014 *10^11) Gore1FL Mar 2012 #24

You have it right. My number is all four hands. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #26

i don't know about penrose's calculations, but what assumptions did he use? unblock Mar 2012 #10

Whatever assumptions he used, the universe is in no way fine-tuned for life. laconicsax Mar 2012 #23

And humans are far from perfectly "designed." DirkGently Mar 2012 #42

Soft spot containing vital organs right up front for easy attack. Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #43

I don't think it was about 'fine-tuning' at all muriel_volestrangler Mar 2012 #46

It's more basic tama Mar 2012 #65

Because they are. edhopper Mar 2012 #72

You seem more interested in theology tama Mar 2012 #93

It is the Religion Forum edhopper Mar 2012 #95

True dat :) nt tama Mar 2012 #97

What created God? Lint Head Mar 2012 #12

Been there, done that longship Mar 2012 #13

is "appeal to stupidity" in aristotle's list of fallacies? unblock Mar 2012 #14

There's "unknown, therefore ... my preferred speculation" thing. DirkGently Mar 2012 #20

Argument from Personal Incredulity skepticscott Mar 2012 #50

I love how at the end he says... Kalidurga Mar 2012 #22

He doesn't say that... ellisonz Mar 2012 #27

Good point. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #28

Thank you. ellisonz Mar 2012 #31

If it were reversed, it would be a fair point... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #40

Ok. ellisonz Mar 2012 #49

Whatever distinction there's supposed to be between a "social" argument... Silent3 Mar 2012 #51

A "useful straw man" is the same as a "useful lie." laconicsax Mar 2012 #53

What is truth? ellisonz Mar 2012 #54

Seriously? That's how you're going to respond? laconicsax Mar 2012 #56

Yes. ellisonz Mar 2012 #57

If I warn you not to step into the street because of an oncoming car... Silent3 Mar 2012 #103

The problem is your assumptions. Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #63

You're making an assumption too... ellisonz Mar 2012 #64

"God" is a piss-poor answer because it replaces one unknown with another and stops further inquiry. laconicsax Mar 2012 #69

So you expect an "answer" to the question of creation to be found by science? n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #77

Yes, you do realize that everything we know about the physical world... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #79

But yet... ellisonz Mar 2012 #82

Umm... laconicsax Mar 2012 #85

The primordial soup theory... ellisonz Mar 2012 #86

When you base your arguments on outdated information, you look silly. laconicsax Mar 2012 #89

I was characterizing. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #90

That's the most likely possibility. laconicsax Mar 2012 #80

How likely? When is it likely to be resolved? ellisonz Mar 2012 #83

You want a date? laconicsax Mar 2012 #87

What is, is unknown and to know it may never happen... ellisonz Mar 2012 #88

Well that's the difference between us it seems. laconicsax Mar 2012 #91

Yep. ellisonz Mar 2012 #92

Your clumsy anology is rather inaccurate, and God isn't an answer, but a roadblock to the answer... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #78

Again, you're supposing there is an answer. ellisonz Mar 2012 #84

Who is supposing answers here? Silent3 Mar 2012 #98

I didn't see any reference to "worshipping sky beings" Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #110

You know what I refuse to even consider? 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #32

"Refuse to Even Consider It" Silent3 Mar 2012 #41

You know this is as ridiculous as Kirk Cameron's banana argument, right? Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #44

rofl deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #47

...and here's a two-part takedown of this drivel. laconicsax Mar 2012 #52

Rec. nt mr blur Mar 2012 #59

It has been argued that we are actually living in a simulation FarCenter Mar 2012 #60

Teehee laconicsax Mar 2012 #61

Nice! FarCenter Mar 2012 #62

A god-like being from one perspective, perhaps... Silent3 Mar 2012 #73

An omnipotent god would create all possible simultations within all possible universes FarCenter Mar 2012 #75

Omnipotence is a *capability* to do all things... Silent3 Mar 2012 #81

On the point of Buddhism YankeyMCC Mar 2012 #96

What a steaming pantload. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #106

I saw a rock in the road today edhopper Mar 2012 #108

The most humbling thing is that the road was fine-tuned for that rock. laconicsax Mar 2012 #109