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hrmjustin

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99. you just like to say things don't you.

Sun May 25, 2014, 08:48 PM

May 2014

Rug is very gay friendly. If you and others would quit with the hostilities and truly ask his opinion you would find out as I personally did yeas ago that he is very pro LGBT friendly. If you asked rug you wiuld find out that rug is one of the biggest challengers to the bishops of the RCC. But you don't know this because of the hostilities here.

You dislike me but as a gay man I can tell you rug is gay friendly and I am appalled that you would imply something else.

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Federal judge dismisses atheists' challenge to IRS [View all] rug May 2014 OP

Good. They need to leave tax exemptions for houses of worship alone. hrmjustin May 2014 #1

Why? rickford66 May 2014 #2

Because many can't stay open without them. hrmjustin May 2014 #3

So ? nt eppur_se_muova May 2014 #6

Well the good thing is that the exemption stays. hrmjustin May 2014 #7

Why is this a good thing? pokerfan May 2014 #9

So that struggeling houses of worship can survive and provide services for the community. hrmjustin May 2014 #11

Lots of businesses struggle pokerfan May 2014 #12

We are not only talking churches here are we? hrmjustin May 2014 #13

Do houses of worship deserve special consideration? pokerfan May 2014 #14

Non profits get tax exempt status. houses of worship for the most part are not out to make money. hrmjustin May 2014 #16

Houses of worship deserve special consideration pokerfan May 2014 #20

n8n profits get tax exemot status. if you have an issue with that contact your hrmjustin May 2014 #21

Got it. Thanks! pokerfan May 2014 #25

Non profits get tax exempt staus. do you agree? hrmjustin May 2014 #26

I said I got it, OK? pokerfan May 2014 #27

ok. hrmjustin May 2014 #28

Do you seriously not see the double standard? pokerfan May 2014 #33

So your saying they only eant them to disclose their donors and fill out this7s form? hrmjustin May 2014 #36

Should non profits get the equivalent of a parsonage? phil89 May 2014 #40

If they need it I have no issue with it. hrmjustin May 2014 #41

At least you're consistent. phil89 May 2014 #42

Thank you. I have no issue with reforming a few things to make things fairer but I don't want to get hrmjustin May 2014 #43

An organization need not be theistic to qualify for a religious exemption under current law struggle4progress May 2014 #44

How do we know that, houses of worship are exempt from the same oversight rules of... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #63

I am saying that I want the tax exemption left in place. I have no issue with oversight. hrmjustin May 2014 #64

The current rules don't allow for oversight, and the IRS refuses to enforce what rules do exist... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #66

As I said I want the exemption but have no issue with oversight. hrmjustin May 2014 #67

They should only get the exemption for being a non-profit, not for being a place of worship. Humanist_Activist May 2014 #69

I understand how you feel. hrmjustin May 2014 #70

I don't think you do. Humanist_Activist May 2014 #71

Well then call your congressman and complain. hrmjustin May 2014 #72

Why? What's the point, we aren't really citizens you know... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #73

Bullshit! hrmjustin May 2014 #74

Of course I know about you, you are an apologist for religious privilege... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #75

By privilege, do you mean the First Amendment? BainsBane May 2014 #76

Does the First Amendment say that religions and religious people are to be treated better... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #78

It prohibits the establishment of a state religion BainsBane May 2014 #79

Being given different standards to follow... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #80

Again, that is an issue of how the courts have interpeted the First Amendment BainsBane May 2014 #81

So? Not criticizing him for being a Christian, but for defending his religion's... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #83

What is so special is the First Amendment BainsBane May 2014 #84

But the First Amendment doesn't give churches tax exemption. Humanist_Activist May 2014 #85

If my church didn't have tax breaks we would not be able to stay open for long or we would have to hrmjustin May 2014 #77

Why should I care if you take me seriously? You are a "soft" theocrat... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #82

I can't believe this place sometimes. hrmjustin May 2014 #87

When you stop whining about persecution take the time to look up what privilege actually is. rug May 2014 #89

Oh please, a post by a guy who's so fucking proud being the member of a hate organization... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #92

And you wonder why your voice is incredible. rug May 2014 #97

you just like to say things don't you. hrmjustin May 2014 #99

! rug May 2014 #88

Are you having a bad day? cbayer May 2014 #91

While they have been exempted from certain annual filings, they are cbayer May 2014 #65

Get back to me when those laws are actually enforced, Christian churches, in particular, seem... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #68

The IRS should be enforcing them. cbayer May 2014 #90

But if they don't make a profit edhopper May 2014 #47

thery certainly should have to explain why they make that much and should not pay taxes on it. hrmjustin May 2014 #48

Of course this will never happen edhopper May 2014 #57

This is an IRS problem. cbayer May 2014 #58

So they can tax the Mega Churches edhopper May 2014 #60

If the churches do not meet the criteria that are in place cbayer May 2014 #61

They don't have to meet the same criteria as other charitable organizations. eomer May 2014 #101

Not true for the most part. cbayer May 2014 #102

I'm talking about the "exempt purposes" rule of section 501(c)(3). eomer May 2014 #105

Other 501c3 organizations okasha May 2014 #107

You said that so much better than I did. cbayer May 2014 #109

I've been (and am) okasha May 2014 #110

In New Orleans, the catholic hospitals provided the only access to health care for the vast cbayer May 2014 #111

Organizations that aren't religious have to be educational, scientific or charitable or promote arts eomer May 2014 #112

So? okasha May 2014 #113

So cbayer's post that I replied to was incorrect as I said it was. eomer May 2014 #114

She was absolutely correct. okasha May 2014 #115

Her statement would be read by most as saying they have to meet the same rules as other non profits. eomer May 2014 #116

Do you think arts and scientific organizations should also loose the exemption? cbayer May 2014 #117

No, I think the arts and science inherently serve the public good. eomer May 2014 #118

And I think that religious organizations inherently serve the public good. cbayer May 2014 #119

Yes, we apparently disagree about this (and about the meaning of the word "inherent"). eomer May 2014 #121

And I would argue that not every instance of "art" contributes and that cbayer May 2014 #122

Everything someone calls science is not necessarily science. Creationism definitely isn't. eomer May 2014 #123

And not everything someone calls religion is necessarily religion. cbayer May 2014 #124

As a working artist, okasha May 2014 #125

So the question becomes, do we set certain criteria for these groups or not. cbayer May 2014 #126

I think you're failing to distinguish between non-profit and tax-exempt organizations. okasha May 2014 #127

Wow, this is amazingly helpful. cbayer May 2014 #128

Thank you. I'm glad it helps. okasha May 2014 #131

I think going through the actual process is what it takes to really understand this. cbayer May 2014 #133

I will agree to you that they should not be exempted just for being religious. cbayer May 2014 #108

Make the irs do it. hrmjustin May 2014 #59

Those services can't be provided by other groups? LiberalFighter May 2014 #52

Well we disagree. hrmjustin May 2014 #53

They can be but they often aren't. cbayer May 2014 #55

If it involves charitable work no. LiberalFighter May 2014 #135

Charitable organizations always have some overhead that doesn't go directly to services. cbayer May 2014 #136

Overhead is fine. If for the purpose of administrating the charity. LiberalFighter May 2014 #137

Running the church is often administering the charity. cbayer May 2014 #138

Perhaps you aren't aware okasha May 2014 #139

I'm involved in a local debate about drug-testing as a condition for a meal at a community center. pinto May 2014 #56

Yes they can. rickford66 May 2014 #8

Most churches are nit mega churches. Most churches struggle financially. hrmjustin May 2014 #10

Well the struggling ones like struggling businesses will have little or no taxable income. rickford66 May 2014 #15

I believe that houses of worship should pay no taxes. hrmjustin May 2014 #17

I believe I shouldn't pay taxes but .... rickford66 May 2014 #18

Individuals or organizations? hrmjustin May 2014 #19

How many people gathered in his name did Jesus say? Three I think? rickford66 May 2014 #22

I don't get your response so I will try to answer. hrmjustin May 2014 #23

Matthew 18:20 rickford66 May 2014 #29

I have no problem with dealing with abuses. It would likely make it easier on other houses of hrmjustin May 2014 #32

Tax filings might expose those abuses and separate the the honest from the dishonest. Just saying. rickford66 May 2014 #35

Neither Graham nor Robertson okasha May 2014 #24

So all the cash given to these guys is accounted for? Baloney! rickford66 May 2014 #31

I didn't say that. okasha May 2014 #39

Sorry, I appologize. I still claim they are scam artists. rickford66 May 2014 #50

And on that, okasha May 2014 #54

What is unusual though is that some of the TV networks such as Daystar also receive the tax TexasTowelie May 2014 #34

those type of things seem like they are taking advantage of the law. hrmjustin May 2014 #37

From the opinion: struggle4progress May 2014 #4

Thanks for the link. rug May 2014 #5

No, judges just don't want to open a shit can... MellowDem May 2014 #30

You should read the opinion, attending to how the judge treated the various arguments struggle4progress May 2014 #38

By saying atheists can apply as a "church"... MellowDem May 2014 #45

Words mean different things in different contexts struggle4progress May 2014 #46

It's not a semantic squabble... MellowDem May 2014 #86

The court certainly does NOT say: "church" in this context just means any non-profit struggle4progress May 2014 #93

If they believe atheists can form a church... MellowDem May 2014 #100

I've leave to you the task of discovering how the IRS determines whether an entity is a church struggle4progress May 2014 #104

Completely arbitrarily... MellowDem May 2014 #106

Suggestion: Htom Sirveaux May 2014 #94

The language comes from statute. The administrative criteria represent efforts struggle4progress May 2014 #96

Well, ok. My house and my cubicle are my 'church'. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #49

File for it. It doesn't require much paperwork. cbayer May 2014 #51

The IRS will determine whether or not an organization is a "church" by considering struggle4progress May 2014 #95

Most likely he would not meet the criteria. cbayer May 2014 #98

Is he not aware of the ruling that found that atheist organizations cbayer May 2014 #62

Which is a terrible ruling in and of itself and not good precedent... MellowDem May 2014 #103

Church Audits - "Reasonable Belief" Requirement (IRS) pinto May 2014 #120

Hmmm�. "reasonably believes". cbayer May 2014 #129

Yeah. Mushy is right. Looks like the group took the wrong approach in its suit. And the IRS, pinto May 2014 #130

I agree with you on prop h8. okasha May 2014 #132

I think the line was lobbying and dollars for legislation. Well hidden, apparently, pinto May 2014 #134