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Goblinmonger

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40. So if someone holding a faith-based belief that would contradict yours

Thu May 29, 2014, 02:33 PM

May 2014

is not an affront to you, why is it an affront when someone says that your belief is highly unlikely and requires magical thinking which contradicts the laws of our universe? Both are saying your belief is false.

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Today is Ascension Thursday. [View all] hrmjustin May 2014 OP

A truly magical event! JNelson6563 May 2014 #1

I imagine it was a magical event. hrmjustin May 2014 #2

It's as if "miracle" is a word JNelson6563 May 2014 #3

You should not presume no one buys it. hrmjustin May 2014 #4

I said "anyone", not "no one". JNelson6563 May 2014 #5

Point taken. hrmjustin May 2014 #6

Hey, the GOES-15 satellite stopped working about a year ago. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #7

I know this is an important day for you, justin, cbayer May 2014 #8

Thanks cbayer. hrmjustin May 2014 #9

Why do you insist on personifying this as an attack on hrmjustin? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #10

Sure you did. He put up an innocuous post marking a day that is important to him cbayer May 2014 #13

The day represents an alleged actual event. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #16

If you don't consider it mocking, so be it. cbayer May 2014 #19

I mocked an idea. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #22

Just curious about something: madamesilverspurs May 2014 #32

No, but this is not a church nor a synagouge nor a mosque. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #33

The more apt analogy would be Goblinmonger May 2014 #38

Just curious here - trotsky May 2014 #45

Interesting. madamesilverspurs May 2014 #46

Do you think that any atheist here Goblinmonger May 2014 #47

Do you think this open discussion forum is analogous to your Christmas party? n/t trotsky May 2014 #48

No. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #50

There is a world of difference between a goverment mandate and making it widely available Leontius May 2014 #57

And yet AtheistCrusader May 2014 #58

There are quite a few things the government uses the force of law to require the people Leontius May 2014 #59

And I am not a libertarian, so that argument does nothing for me. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #61

So the right of the people to petition the government means nothing to you. Leontius May 2014 #62

You seem to have misunderstood me. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #64

I am glad that you do agree that it is not the right to oppose that you disagree with. Leontius May 2014 #83

I will try to be more clear/nuanced in the future. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #84

Not a problem and when all was done clarity was acheived. Leontius May 2014 #88

I, too, was worried about the 'force of government' bit, thinking 'DOG WHISTLE! DOG WHISTLE!' AtheistCrusader May 2014 #89

Nowhere in the OP does he say it is important to him. Goblinmonger May 2014 #21

Well, here we have the lesson to be learned. trotsky May 2014 #27

i agree. nt DesertFlower May 2014 #78

So do you see this as a literal event or a metaphor? Goblinmonger May 2014 #11

Literal. hrmjustin May 2014 #12

What is your view on the physical location of heaven to ascend 'to'? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #14

I don't know. hrmjustin May 2014 #15

Do you think the location/destination is discoverable by humans? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #17

I doubt it. hrmjustin May 2014 #18

If that's the case (and I tend to agree, if it exists, it would have to be elsewhere) AtheistCrusader May 2014 #20

I think he ascended up to show his followers that he was going. hrmjustin May 2014 #23

I agree that is a credible interpretation of the claim. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #24

Make no claims on other faiths. hrmjustin May 2014 #25

Mutually exclusive claims do not trouble you? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #26

Other people's faiths or their claims do not bother me. hrmjustin May 2014 #28

Even though they both cannot simultaneously be true? That would immediately cause me to AtheistCrusader May 2014 #29

All I can say id0s the claims of other faiths do notbother me nor cauee me to question my faith. hrmjustin May 2014 #30

But the claims of those with no faith certainly bother you. trotsky May 2014 #31

I don't have 'faith' in anything in a comparable context so maybe this is part of the disconnect AtheistCrusader May 2014 #34

I do question my faith but other faiths do not cause me to question my faith. hrmjustin May 2014 #36

So if someone holding a faith-based belief that would contradict yours Goblinmonger May 2014 #40

I have no issue with someone saying I am wrong. hrmjustin May 2014 #41

When I am laboring under a delusion, I actually appreciate it when people point it out to me. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #51

I am glad for you. hrmjustin May 2014 #52

And I believe you, and would not imply such. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #54

Thank you. hrmjustin May 2014 #55

The belief in Jesus's ascenscion okasha May 2014 #35

Actually they are. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #37

Wrong. okasha May 2014 #39

Would you care to explain the reasoning? trotsky May 2014 #43

Oh, I guess that poster was referring to the idea that muslims claim god raised jesus to heaven. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #49

Here, borrow this. cleanhippie May 2014 #60

Gee, AC, I'm so very sorry okasha May 2014 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author okasha May 2014 #65

Show me AtheistCrusader May 2014 #68

But that's.an entirely different issue. okasha May 2014 #69

I don't feel I moved them. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #71

Ok, thanks for clarifying. okasha May 2014 #73

No worries, take your time. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #74

You are correct, of course, okasha Jun 2014 #100

No goalposts were moved, okasha. trotsky May 2014 #82

They are not equal beliefs. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #53

Good post, Justin. It's an important day. rug May 2014 #42

lmfao! hrmjustin May 2014 #44

The thing I most enjoy about this group goldent May 2014 #76

Not sure who is singing, but it sweet. PumpkinAle May 2014 #56

hrmjustin, I am amazed that you have ... kwassa May 2014 #66

Lol thank you kwassa! hrmjustin May 2014 #67

It takes a man. A grown up man. cbayer May 2014 #70

A mensch. And all that entails. kwassa May 2014 #75

Well that's fucking sexist. trotsky May 2014 #80

Faux outrage, on cue. You need an "aghast" smiley. rug May 2014 #91

John Kerry? Is that you? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #85

Lol. Point taken. cbayer May 2014 #92

Yeah, I think AtheistCrusader May 2014 #93

I thank you for your understanding and forgiveness. cbayer May 2014 #94

We use "man up" all the time on the court, it's not sexist it just means Leontius May 2014 #95

Er, "weak girly zone" sounds pretty sexist to me. cbayer May 2014 #96

Really, well I never would have thought Leontius May 2014 #97

I'm guessing that you are pulling my leg here, cbayer May 2014 #98

Yeah I am about the weak girly part. Leontius May 2014 #99

Women are clearly too frail Goblinmonger May 2014 #86

I wonder if HoF would feel the same way. That's pretty sexist of you, cbayer. cleanhippie May 2014 #87

You rock Justin! Starboard Tack May 2014 #77

Thanks. hrmjustin May 2014 #90

+10 okasha May 2014 #72

But my thoughts Goblinmonger May 2014 #79

Correct. n/t trotsky May 2014 #81