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In reply to the discussion: Meet an atheist ... who believes in God [View all]Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)You attack people for comparing gods to other myths, while giving people like Frank Schaeffer a pass when he says shit like this:
[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]If there were no spiritual side to us, there would be no sense of loss when the material universe intrudes on our happiness. Wed just accept the evolutionary method. Death leads to lifeso quit complaining! wed say.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frankschaeffer/2014/05/one-reason-atheism-doesnt-really-answer-anything/
This guy can go fuck himself, I still have a sense of loss, thank you very fucking much, and it has NOTHING to do with spiritualism.
I will say that he makes a lot of factually wrong statements about evolution and science in general, whether its willful ignorance or not, he shouldn't write about it without researching it first:
Examples here:
[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]Most people dont really want to live only according to narrowly defined material facts. Most of us try to direct our human primate evolutionary process along ethical non-material lines. We impose standards that do not come from nature. Nature is cruel, yet we try not to be. We prosecute people for war crimes that are no more destructive than what happens every day in the churning cauldron of life where everything is eaten and where death is the only incubator of life. We call murder wrong although its the most natural thing on earth.
Weve decided to let an imagined utopian ideal, a future Eden if you will, rule our present despite this being a spiritual non-material-universe-based choice that flies in the face of natural selection. We impose ethics that exist only in our heads upon the material universe. We are part of nature yet we have decided to be nicer than nature. There would be no war crimes trials unless our ethically evolved selves questioned the method of evolution itself.
He seems to not be aware that we are a complex social species, the bolded parts are the most egregious of his ignorance about evolution. The italics is for an opinion he seems rife with, assuming spirituality where none need exist, I guess he thinks atheists and/or materialists are mythical?
[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"] We need to accept the fact our brains did not evolve to do theology or philosophy! We evolved to find patterns in reality to survive. This isnt truth. Less certainty, more humility. A spiritual non-material-based way of life turns out to be the actual way we live no matter what we say we believe. We live by ethics not found in nature and we enrich our lives with art. That says something to me. Maybe a purely material view of the universe and of ourselves is not in fact a fact.
This is a man who complains about the hubris of atheists, then comes up with this gem(bolded, again). He wants constructive dialog with atheists? Then don't insult us with your confirmation bias, don't project your insecurities and your beliefs onto us, is that too fucking much to ask?
He claims to be an atheist, yet posts this:
[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]I do not always believe, let alone know, if God exists. I do not always know he, she, or it does not exist either, though there are long patches in my life when it seems God never did exist. What I know is that I see the Creator in Jesus or nowhere. What I know is that I see Jesus in my children and grandchildrens love. What I know is that I rediscover hope again and again through my wife Genies love. What I know is that Mother Maria loved unto death. What I know is that sometimes something too good to be true, is true.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frankschaeffer/2014/05/the-sojo-review-of-why-i-am-an-atheist-who-believes-in-god/
Should I also mention he posts on the Progressive Christian channel of patheos?
My problem with him, and you cbayer, is you both have a problem, you don't like atheists, oh, you claim you do, but deep down you think of us as empty shells to project your issues onto. I'm frankly sick of it. I made the mistake of going to Sojourner's website(liberal Christian website), and searching for articles pertaining to atheism. It was a mistake in that all it did was piss me off, all I saw were articles upon articles of Christians talking about how they should tolerate atheists while at the same time belittling or insulting them. They even go so far, and this is Christian Piatt I'm talking about, to saying that guys like Daniel Dennet or Richard Dawkins would rather insult someone than help them if they are in need. Why the fuck should I give such bigoted people one iota of consideration?