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Heddi

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5. So you condemn yourself when you asked if Skeptiscott was "seeing things?"

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 06:11 PM

Jun 2014

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=134620

For those of you keeping score at home:

Accusing people of having auditory hallucinations = bad
Accusing people of having visual hallucinations = okay

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A pertinent and important cross-post. [View all] rug Jun 2014 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author Adam051188 Jun 2014 #1

Incredible. murielm99 Jun 2014 #2

I once had the opportunity to experience a 3-d visual/audio simulator cbayer Jun 2014 #3

I once represented someone who had tactile hallucinations. rug Jun 2014 #4

So you condemn yourself when you asked if Skeptiscott was "seeing things?" Heddi Jun 2014 #5

I'll note it was you mentioned him in regard to this post, not me. rug Jun 2014 #6

You sure like... rexcat Jun 2014 #8

Read the post i'm replying to. rug Jun 2014 #9

Of course you called... rexcat Jun 2014 #98

School-on-a-holiday is a more apt description. cleanhippie Jun 2014 #11

That makes as much sense as usual. rug Jun 2014 #24

Lol. cleanhippie Jun 2014 #25

You are also easily amused. rug Jun 2014 #26

At times, yes. This is one of them. cleanhippie Jun 2014 #27

Here, have a ball. rug Jun 2014 #28

School on a holiday. cleanhippie Jun 2014 #29

If I find one of these in a store I'll send it to you. rug Jun 2014 #30

No need to. I jut need to read your posts fr the same effect. cleanhippie Jun 2014 #31

Did you find the OP entertaining? rug Jun 2014 #32

Lol cleanhippie Jun 2014 #34

Perhaps you missed it. rug Jun 2014 #35

So NOW, after all of this other distraction you engaged in, you want to discuss the OP. cleanhippie Jun 2014 #37

Sorry to leave this profound exchange but there's a nipple war in GD that's more substantive. rug Jun 2014 #38

Bye! cleanhippie Jun 2014 #40

Speaking of delusional thinking rug Jun 2014 #75

Ah! Using "delusional" as a slur. You used to be against people who did that Heddi Jun 2014 #87

I hope you didn't spend too much time on that. rug Jun 2014 #89

Several things. edhopper Jun 2014 #7

Listen to it again. rug Jun 2014 #10

I was speaking of hallucinations in general edhopper Jun 2014 #13

Certainly not all hallucinations are equal, but I do wonder, how does one know/compare? AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #39

Seizure diagnosis is not that complicated, so it's easy to cbayer Jun 2014 #42

Sure, but who is to say AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #43

Anyone can say whatever they want, I guess. cbayer Jun 2014 #45

It can make a difference depending on what the topic of the discussion is. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #46

As I said, many people who develop psychosis develop cbayer Jun 2014 #47

It does raise a question for me, however. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #48

How would you ever know if they got it wrong about Teresa of Avila? cbayer Jun 2014 #50

I do wish to weigh their credibility, preferably in the negative AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #59

Then I was correct in my take away. cbayer Jun 2014 #61

Some are amenable. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #63

I am right this minute watching a show by the guy who does the "30 days" series. cbayer Jun 2014 #64

I could certainly meet them halfway, if they would AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #67

You could meet the RCC halfway just by acknowledging that it, cbayer Jun 2014 #69

Just the absolute moral authority behind it. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #72

And it's not just so much as to fell the doctrine, but to fell the dogmatic supernatural authority AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #65

Visual and auditory hallucinations are very rare in the general population. cbayer Jun 2014 #12

Yes hypnagogic hallucinations edhopper Jun 2014 #14

Hypnagogic and hypnopompic hallucinations are not generally considered cbayer Jun 2014 #15

I was speaking generally edhopper Jun 2014 #16

I'm not sure I understand your question, but I think cbayer Jun 2014 #17

I stated I was not referring to this recording edhopper Jun 2014 #18

I guess I have lost you here. cbayer Jun 2014 #19

No I wasn't edhopper Jun 2014 #20

I don't think we disagree then. cbayer Jun 2014 #21

agree /nt edhopper Jun 2014 #22

I don't want to copy/paste-duplicate AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #41

I see glows and have an interest in religion and religious traditions. Yet don't equate them at all. pinto Jun 2014 #23

I get the "glow" from migraines. edhopper Jun 2014 #33

Had a co-worker who mentioned the same experience with migraines. pinto Jun 2014 #36

Hypnagogic edhopper Jun 2014 #44

Why do you assume that there is only one type of religious experience? intaglio Jun 2014 #49

Why do you assume I do? rug Jun 2014 #51

Because you stated, at the head of the thread, intaglio Jun 2014 #52

The riff off that is all yours. rug Jun 2014 #53

Well what did you intend to say? intaglio Jun 2014 #55

The description of Paul's vision in Acts okasha Jun 2014 #92

Problems - it is Paul's biographer reporting it, intaglio Jun 2014 #100

You don't think anyone has heard voices or sounds like this edhopper Jun 2014 #54

No one who was not seriously ill has ever heard anything remotely like this. rug Jun 2014 #56

Wrong intaglio Jun 2014 #57

Fine. Produce them. I'll be very happy to question them. rug Jun 2014 #77

The Desert Fathers would be a bit difficult intaglio Jun 2014 #82

Are any of them disc jockeys? rug Jun 2014 #83

No, the reference to disc jockeys was where I first heard about sleep deprivation psychosis intaglio Jun 2014 #97

Not sure what you are getting at edhopper Jun 2014 #58

I'll be plainer. rug Jun 2014 #78

Are you trying to make any larger point about religious experinces and hallucinations? edhopper Jun 2014 #80

No. The point is simple. An actual hallucination, as here, has nothing to do with religious experien rug Jun 2014 #81

Well edhopper Jun 2014 #84

Some stomach aches are similar to appendicitis until the appendix bursts. rug Jun 2014 #85

Yes, edhopper Jun 2014 #88

An atheist, as an atheist, really has nothing at all to say about the causes of hallucinations. rug Jun 2014 #90

If the whole and breadth of all I am and know edhopper Jun 2014 #91

It's not a non sequitur. rug Jun 2014 #93

Probably a discussion for another time edhopper Jun 2014 #94

You're probably right. rug Jun 2014 #95

Thanks edhopper Jun 2014 #101

Actually, in that context, it leaves it a medical issue, sans the supernatural. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #96

This is an egg/chicken question. cbayer Jun 2014 #60

I did not state that religion did lead to a psychotic state intaglio Jun 2014 #66

I'm not sure why this might be a problem. cbayer Jun 2014 #68

Depends whether religion causes harm intaglio Jun 2014 #70

That school of thought is total BS, imo. cbayer Jun 2014 #71

Sorry, that last was a bit trollish intaglio Jun 2014 #73

Are you using the word delusion in a medical sense cbayer Jun 2014 #74

I'm using it in the general sense intaglio Jun 2014 #79

IRS just bailed in this case. cbayer Jun 2014 #86

H'mmm - 2 slightly different uses of the term cult but ... intaglio Jun 2014 #99

A neither pertinent or important cross-post... MellowDem Jun 2014 #62

I daresay I saw more pertinence and importance on the gum wrapper I read than in your post. rug Jun 2014 #76