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cbayer

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60. This is an egg/chicken question.

Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:02 PM

Jun 2014

IMO, there is a clear answer to that.

People sometimes develop religious explanations for psychotic symptoms in an attempt to understand or explain what is happening to them. This can happen whether they were religious prior to the episode or not.

And while you are right that certain practices associated with some religions can lead to a psychotic state, that does mean that religion itself leads to the psychotic state. All of the things you list can happen in any number of circumstances.

A medical resident who is severely sleep deprived may develop psychotic symptoms. That does not mean that medical residency causes psychosis or that psychosis is a residency based condition.

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A pertinent and important cross-post. [View all] rug Jun 2014 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author Adam051188 Jun 2014 #1

Incredible. murielm99 Jun 2014 #2

I once had the opportunity to experience a 3-d visual/audio simulator cbayer Jun 2014 #3

I once represented someone who had tactile hallucinations. rug Jun 2014 #4

So you condemn yourself when you asked if Skeptiscott was "seeing things?" Heddi Jun 2014 #5

I'll note it was you mentioned him in regard to this post, not me. rug Jun 2014 #6

You sure like... rexcat Jun 2014 #8

Read the post i'm replying to. rug Jun 2014 #9

Of course you called... rexcat Jun 2014 #98

School-on-a-holiday is a more apt description. cleanhippie Jun 2014 #11

That makes as much sense as usual. rug Jun 2014 #24

Lol. cleanhippie Jun 2014 #25

You are also easily amused. rug Jun 2014 #26

At times, yes. This is one of them. cleanhippie Jun 2014 #27

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School on a holiday. cleanhippie Jun 2014 #29

If I find one of these in a store I'll send it to you. rug Jun 2014 #30

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Did you find the OP entertaining? rug Jun 2014 #32

Lol cleanhippie Jun 2014 #34

Perhaps you missed it. rug Jun 2014 #35

So NOW, after all of this other distraction you engaged in, you want to discuss the OP. cleanhippie Jun 2014 #37

Sorry to leave this profound exchange but there's a nipple war in GD that's more substantive. rug Jun 2014 #38

Bye! cleanhippie Jun 2014 #40

Speaking of delusional thinking rug Jun 2014 #75

Ah! Using "delusional" as a slur. You used to be against people who did that Heddi Jun 2014 #87

I hope you didn't spend too much time on that. rug Jun 2014 #89

Several things. edhopper Jun 2014 #7

Listen to it again. rug Jun 2014 #10

I was speaking of hallucinations in general edhopper Jun 2014 #13

Certainly not all hallucinations are equal, but I do wonder, how does one know/compare? AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #39

Seizure diagnosis is not that complicated, so it's easy to cbayer Jun 2014 #42

Sure, but who is to say AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #43

Anyone can say whatever they want, I guess. cbayer Jun 2014 #45

It can make a difference depending on what the topic of the discussion is. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #46

As I said, many people who develop psychosis develop cbayer Jun 2014 #47

It does raise a question for me, however. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #48

How would you ever know if they got it wrong about Teresa of Avila? cbayer Jun 2014 #50

I do wish to weigh their credibility, preferably in the negative AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #59

Then I was correct in my take away. cbayer Jun 2014 #61

Some are amenable. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #63

I am right this minute watching a show by the guy who does the "30 days" series. cbayer Jun 2014 #64

I could certainly meet them halfway, if they would AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #67

You could meet the RCC halfway just by acknowledging that it, cbayer Jun 2014 #69

Just the absolute moral authority behind it. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #72

And it's not just so much as to fell the doctrine, but to fell the dogmatic supernatural authority AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #65

Visual and auditory hallucinations are very rare in the general population. cbayer Jun 2014 #12

Yes hypnagogic hallucinations edhopper Jun 2014 #14

Hypnagogic and hypnopompic hallucinations are not generally considered cbayer Jun 2014 #15

I was speaking generally edhopper Jun 2014 #16

I'm not sure I understand your question, but I think cbayer Jun 2014 #17

I stated I was not referring to this recording edhopper Jun 2014 #18

I guess I have lost you here. cbayer Jun 2014 #19

No I wasn't edhopper Jun 2014 #20

I don't think we disagree then. cbayer Jun 2014 #21

agree /nt edhopper Jun 2014 #22

I don't want to copy/paste-duplicate AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #41

I see glows and have an interest in religion and religious traditions. Yet don't equate them at all. pinto Jun 2014 #23

I get the "glow" from migraines. edhopper Jun 2014 #33

Had a co-worker who mentioned the same experience with migraines. pinto Jun 2014 #36

Hypnagogic edhopper Jun 2014 #44

Why do you assume that there is only one type of religious experience? intaglio Jun 2014 #49

Why do you assume I do? rug Jun 2014 #51

Because you stated, at the head of the thread, intaglio Jun 2014 #52

The riff off that is all yours. rug Jun 2014 #53

Well what did you intend to say? intaglio Jun 2014 #55

The description of Paul's vision in Acts okasha Jun 2014 #92

Problems - it is Paul's biographer reporting it, intaglio Jun 2014 #100

You don't think anyone has heard voices or sounds like this edhopper Jun 2014 #54

No one who was not seriously ill has ever heard anything remotely like this. rug Jun 2014 #56

Wrong intaglio Jun 2014 #57

Fine. Produce them. I'll be very happy to question them. rug Jun 2014 #77

The Desert Fathers would be a bit difficult intaglio Jun 2014 #82

Are any of them disc jockeys? rug Jun 2014 #83

No, the reference to disc jockeys was where I first heard about sleep deprivation psychosis intaglio Jun 2014 #97

Not sure what you are getting at edhopper Jun 2014 #58

I'll be plainer. rug Jun 2014 #78

Are you trying to make any larger point about religious experinces and hallucinations? edhopper Jun 2014 #80

No. The point is simple. An actual hallucination, as here, has nothing to do with religious experien rug Jun 2014 #81

Well edhopper Jun 2014 #84

Some stomach aches are similar to appendicitis until the appendix bursts. rug Jun 2014 #85

Yes, edhopper Jun 2014 #88

An atheist, as an atheist, really has nothing at all to say about the causes of hallucinations. rug Jun 2014 #90

If the whole and breadth of all I am and know edhopper Jun 2014 #91

It's not a non sequitur. rug Jun 2014 #93

Probably a discussion for another time edhopper Jun 2014 #94

You're probably right. rug Jun 2014 #95

Thanks edhopper Jun 2014 #101

Actually, in that context, it leaves it a medical issue, sans the supernatural. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #96

This is an egg/chicken question. cbayer Jun 2014 #60

I did not state that religion did lead to a psychotic state intaglio Jun 2014 #66

I'm not sure why this might be a problem. cbayer Jun 2014 #68

Depends whether religion causes harm intaglio Jun 2014 #70

That school of thought is total BS, imo. cbayer Jun 2014 #71

Sorry, that last was a bit trollish intaglio Jun 2014 #73

Are you using the word delusion in a medical sense cbayer Jun 2014 #74

I'm using it in the general sense intaglio Jun 2014 #79

IRS just bailed in this case. cbayer Jun 2014 #86

H'mmm - 2 slightly different uses of the term cult but ... intaglio Jun 2014 #99

A neither pertinent or important cross-post... MellowDem Jun 2014 #62

I daresay I saw more pertinence and importance on the gum wrapper I read than in your post. rug Jun 2014 #76