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In reply to the discussion: There's no such thing as an atheist baby [View all]LostOne4Ever
(9,769 posts)80. This article's main argument rests on two assumptions
1) That atheism is an active position
2) demand that babies only be ascribed identities that they themselves embrace
The first is both an objectionable and false claim. It is simply a lack of belief.
The second is an opinion the author made, and to which most countries in the world reject. If you only meet the conditions of being a Chinese citizen, then you are a Chinese citizen. Ascribe to yourself that you are Japanese all you want, unless you are able, willing, and actually do take the steps necessary to become a Japanese citizen....you will still only be a Chinese citizen.
There is another reason why babies can't be atheists or agnostics. Everything we know from science shows that supernaturalism comes naturally to children. It is not just that they believe much of what their parents and the surrounding societies tell them: they show a preference for remembering and transmitting stories that defy scientific rationality. So do we all, unless we train ourselves out of it.
Again, atheism is simply a lack of belief. One can believe in an afterlife, fairies, leprechauns, or whatever, and still be an atheist so long as they do not have a belief in god(s). He is thinking of a "skeptic."
I have other issues with his statements here, but without more background in child psychology I hesitant to comment. Let me just say I am "skeptical" of his claim that supernaturalism is natural to children. That would take an understanding of there being a natural order to things and entities that go beyond that. That is a very abstract concept which I doubt a very young could develop on their own. I think they definitely make irrational explanations to explain the world around them, but without outside input those explanations probably seem very natural to the child.
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You have an active belief that babies are born with wonder and curiousity.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2014
#49
People have been making all sorts of claims about babies' religious states
LeftishBrit
Jun 2014
#111
Only if you insist on using a definition of "atheist" that you and the author promote.
trotsky
Jun 2014
#6
wow. this is an unusually idiotic argument. dawkins doesn't complain about the national identity
unblock
Jun 2014
#9
it is indeed inherited, they've done studies on identical twins separated at birth.
unblock
Jun 2014
#15
A propensity to tend towards such faith is certainly a part of the human condition for a vast
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2014
#23
Perhaps an equally valid argument could be made that not-collecting stamps is a hobby.
Act_of_Reparation
Jun 2014
#24
If stamp collectors made a point of having buildings erected specifically to congregate...
trotsky
Jun 2014
#28
You should know by now that what Richard Dawkins actually *says* is irrelevant.
trotsky
Jun 2014
#50
I was commenting more about his recent interview about children and fairy tales.
cbayer
Jun 2014
#52
Of course if a baby is never told anything about superstitious nonsense or gods
randys1
Jun 2014
#26
I'm not making the argument that religion is not responsible for some bad things.
cbayer
Jun 2014
#34
There may be some help from churches but the vast majority of help is from the govt...and should be
randys1
Jun 2014
#35
Perhaps the catholc charities organization could provide services cheaper than the govt could.
pinto
Jun 2014
#65
No, one can be an athiest and also hold a positive belief that there is no god.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2014
#82
Obviously I don't know and have no right to describe exactly what you as an individual believe...
LeftishBrit
Jun 2014
#88
OK - but I still think that unawareness of a concept excludes either belief or disbelief
LeftishBrit
Jun 2014
#87