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84. So let me understand you.

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 06:17 PM

Jun 2014

An accomplished woman of color, who is an atheist, writes an article pointing out the gender, race and class disparities exhibited by many atheists.

An excerpt of that article is posted on Democratic Underground.

You then react by calling it a "completely, mind numbingly bullshit article".

You then accuse the poster, me, of "trying to demonize atheists."

And finally, you call that same person, me, a person who will "readily identify with misogynist, homophobic belief systems!" Exclamation point yours.

Tell me, Mellow, through what warped thought process do you go from a critique of class, race and gender privilege, which I suspect you readily identify with, to yet another passive-aggressive veiled accusation of bigotry?

"The hypocrisy is a bit much." That's wrong. The stupidity is a bit much.

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Atheism has a big race problem that no one�s talking about [View all] rug Jun 2014 OP

Some atheists have a big race problem intaglio Jun 2014 #1

It's not that simple. It's also a class issue. rug Jun 2014 #2

All of that in spite of Religion. In a heavily Christian country. What's up with that? Brettongarcia Jun 2014 #51

That is anti-Semitic bullshit. rug Jun 2014 #52

Direct quotes from the Bible are anti-Semitic? Brettongarcia Jun 2014 #57

Which explains your edit. rug Jun 2014 #61

On discovering that people over-reacted to the original language Brettongarcia Jun 2014 #64

Intemperate language tends to have that effect. rug Jun 2014 #69

Thankfully, we don't have a "community" Starboard Tack Jun 2014 #32

H'mm in the broadest sense of community intaglio Jun 2014 #47

OK, in the broadest sense. Starboard Tack Jun 2014 #73

And WovenGems Jun 2014 #88

True that! There's nothing like a day of rest. Starboard Tack Jun 2014 #92

I see this as becoming a non-issue over time for two reasons. cbayer Jun 2014 #3

SETI has a race problem edhopper Jun 2014 #4

Trivializing is a problem. rug Jun 2014 #5

I am trying to decide if i should clarify the point you so easily missed edhopper Jun 2014 #8

I understand the point you were attempting. But you were attempting it by trivializing. rug Jun 2014 #10

read response edhopper Jun 2014 #12

The article is not about Secular Humanism, which tends to have a much more cbayer Jun 2014 #6

Good people edhopper Jun 2014 #7

I agree. cbayer Jun 2014 #9

I think it is myopic of the author edhopper Jun 2014 #11

That is a good point. cbayer Jun 2014 #13

As far as activism edhopper Jun 2014 #14

There is a belief among many that both parts of the religion clause cbayer Jun 2014 #16

True edhopper Jun 2014 #18

Your white male privilege okasha Jun 2014 #15

hee-hee edhopper Jun 2014 #17

Many people don't accept or understand phil89 Jun 2014 #107

And even a group of organized atheists edhopper Jun 2014 #114

"it�s commonly believed that there are no atheists in overwhelmingly Christian black America" AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #19

Thank you edhopper Jun 2014 #20

Here's where you're wrong. rug Jun 2014 #23

Bullshit. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #24

Where have I seen that word before? rug Jun 2014 #25

You're going to see it again too. Think about what you are saying. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #35

It doesn't tell you anything about misogyny, homophobia or church/state separation either. rug Jun 2014 #39

Um, you changed the criteria. You forgot a word there. I think it started with an 'R'. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #41

You'll find it in 42. rug Jun 2014 #43

Recall in post 23 AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #45

The first half of this paragraph is concerning to me. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #37

Let me ask a question... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #31

She's not saying it exists only among atheists. rug Jun 2014 #33

And she's wrong. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #36

No, she's much closer to the truth than you on this. rug Jun 2014 #38

Religious misogyny can be arrived at without religion? AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #40

Sure it can. rug Jun 2014 #42

That makes no sense. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #44

I would also like to point out there can be, and are, homophobic bigots that are atheists. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #46

Another thread trying to link atheism to something that has nothing to do with atheism LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #21

Don't forget to trash this. rug Jun 2014 #22

The only point I am proving LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #26

Are you saying Sikivu Hutchinson is misrepresenting atheism? rug Jun 2014 #27

Why don't you tell him LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #28

Because it's not true. rug Jun 2014 #29

Whaaaaa LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #30

You're old enough to know better so cry baby, cry. rug Jun 2014 #34

I won't cry for you LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #48

It's your party. rug Jun 2014 #53

Actually that song says its "YOUR" party >:) LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #72

Everything ends. rug Jun 2014 #74

Waiting for the end to come LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #75

You need perspective. rug Jun 2014 #76

One two or three point perspective? LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #79

All my life I've been active in the Civil Rights movement Brettongarcia Jun 2014 #49

"There's a lot of self-exclusion in the minority community." rug Jun 2014 #54

You shouldn't say that Rug; that would make Rug a racist Brettongarcia Jun 2014 #58

What does the original statement make Brettongarcia? rug Jun 2014 #60

I hereby clarify: Self-exclusion as well as rejection by the White community plays a role Brettongarcia Jun 2014 #62

Blacks are isolated and poor because of self-exclusion? cbayer Jun 2014 #56

Ever hear black people talking to each other? Brettongarcia Jun 2014 #59

What do you hear when you hear black people talking to each other? cbayer Jun 2014 #63

Anyone who has been deeply active in minority communities knows. Brettongarcia Jun 2014 #65

So the fact that there are still issues to be addressed and resolved cbayer Jun 2014 #66

The author is a woman. Brettongarcia Jun 2014 #67

So what? cbayer Jun 2014 #68

I'm beginning to understand why no one wanted to sit next to him on the bus. rug Jun 2014 #70

This is my takeaway from what is being said. cbayer Jun 2014 #71

Or? We all need to make compromises with each other, to get along. All sides. Brettongarcia Jun 2014 #77

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #78

Oh, how thrilled I am okasha Jun 2014 #80

The birth of rationality for the West, was thought to be a difficult development, even for itself Brettongarcia Jun 2014 #81

This article is deeply offensive, incendiary, and wrong. Brettongarcia Jun 2014 #50

That pretty well describes your responses to her article. rug Jun 2014 #55

From my favorite atheist of color: KamaAina Jun 2014 #82

So do non-stamp collecting... MellowDem Jun 2014 #83

So let me understand you. rug Jun 2014 #84

And it's yet another okasha Jun 2014 #85

It's another atheist redefining atheism to her cause... MellowDem Jun 2014 #89

It's not a race problem. okasha Jun 2014 #90

It's a race problem for society, atheism has nothing to do with it... MellowDem Jun 2014 #94

And all you need is an atheist MLK okasha Jun 2014 #96

All you need is someone to snark at... MellowDem Jun 2014 #99

You poor widdle t'ing. okasha Jun 2014 #102

Keep up the schoolyard attitude... MellowDem Jun 2014 #103

Said the big white boy okasha Jun 2014 #110

Anyone can be a bully... MellowDem Jun 2014 #112

You forgot "uppity." okasha Jun 2014 #116

If you want to be a bully while playing a victim... MellowDem Jun 2014 #122

Sit in front of a mirror okasha Jun 2014 #123

Read your post where you tell me all I need is an atheist MLK... MellowDem Jun 2014 #124

Let me make it crystal clear... MellowDem Jun 2014 #86

"Anyone who says "atheism has a race problem" fundamentally doesn't understand what atheism is" rug Jun 2014 #87

I notice you failed to address a single point... MellowDem Jun 2014 #91

I did. rug Jun 2014 #93

No, you just said it was apologetics for the status quo... MellowDem Jun 2014 #95

Well, I'll give you this. That's a better tack than the start of this subthread. rug Jun 2014 #97

Where does she state how atheism has a race problem? MellowDem Jun 2014 #100

Here: rug Jun 2014 #104

Well she needs to be a lot more precise, because this just makes her wrong... MellowDem Jun 2014 #111

Yes it is an important distinction but not one commonly made. She's not wrong however. rug Jun 2014 #113

She makes it sound like a benefit of atheists stepping up MellowDem Jun 2014 #119

"Black atheists have to form their own group..." okasha Jun 2014 #101

Conservative atheists agree with you... MellowDem Jun 2014 #106

I guess you missed okasha Jun 2014 #117

No, it was painfully clear you were quoting me out of context MellowDem Jun 2014 #120

How can a lack of belief in gods have a race problem? beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #98

Rather than blowing noise read 104. rug Jun 2014 #105

Fact: atheism is defined as the lack of faith in gods, it can not have a race problem. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #108

Fact: human beings formulate atheism and proceed to organize as such. rug Jun 2014 #109

for�mu�late verb: create or devise methodically; express (an idea) in a concise or systematic way beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #115

non se�qui�tur rug Jun 2014 #118

Doesn't change the fact that the op is ridiculous. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #121

The only thing ridiculous about it is your reaction to it. rug Jun 2014 #125

Yes. Atheism is markedly white Goblinmonger Jun 2014 #126

Welcome back. rug Jun 2014 #127