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In reply to the discussion: Atheism has a big race problem that no one’s talking about [View all]rug
(82,333 posts)97. Well, I'll give you this. That's a better tack than the start of this subthread.
Specifically,
So I'm wondering what race problem atheism has?
The author has not only explained, but demonstrated that the usual issues of atheist groups do not match the reality of what black nonbelievers experience. There are daily experiences in which billboards and school prayer arguments don't really cut it. And she is very eloquent on what women nonbelievers experience in the black community compared to what male nonbelievers experience.
As a pure academic point, atheism or nonbelief goes no further than that. But when people do form groups that are explicitly organized around the concept of atheism, and when these now organized groups step out and taken positions on social issues, it would behoove them to make sure their work reaches all nonbelievers, particularly when those nonbelievers are minority.
Ultimately, I agree that social problem do not stem from nonbelief -or belief itself as I've argued incessantly - but from the economic forces that strive for power and readily use division based on race, sex, and belief, or nonbelief, to buttress that power. Ultimately the answers to these problems stem from political action not from atheism or from theism. In the meantime these divisions must be addressed.
She is well worth listening to.
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All of that in spite of Religion. In a heavily Christian country. What's up with that?
Brettongarcia
Jun 2014
#51
I understand the point you were attempting. But you were attempting it by trivializing.
rug
Jun 2014
#10
"it’s commonly believed that there are no atheists in overwhelmingly Christian black America"
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2014
#19
It doesn't tell you anything about misogyny, homophobia or church/state separation either.
rug
Jun 2014
#39
Um, you changed the criteria. You forgot a word there. I think it started with an 'R'.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2014
#41
I would also like to point out there can be, and are, homophobic bigots that are atheists.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2014
#46
Another thread trying to link atheism to something that has nothing to do with atheism
LostOne4Ever
Jun 2014
#21
I hereby clarify: Self-exclusion as well as rejection by the White community plays a role
Brettongarcia
Jun 2014
#62
Or? We all need to make compromises with each other, to get along. All sides.
Brettongarcia
Jun 2014
#77
The birth of rationality for the West, was thought to be a difficult development, even for itself
Brettongarcia
Jun 2014
#81
"Anyone who says "atheism has a race problem" fundamentally doesn't understand what atheism is"
rug
Jun 2014
#87
Well she needs to be a lot more precise, because this just makes her wrong...
MellowDem
Jun 2014
#111
Yes it is an important distinction but not one commonly made. She's not wrong however.
rug
Jun 2014
#113
Fact: atheism is defined as the lack of faith in gods, it can not have a race problem.
beam me up scottie
Jun 2014
#108
for·mu·late verb: create or devise methodically; express (an idea) in a concise or systematic way
beam me up scottie
Jun 2014
#115