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struggle4progress

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56. It will be interesting to hear what you learn
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 07:06 PM
Jun 2014

I'm not a lawyer but it might depend on whether he's trying to use part of his property for church services, for a home business, or as a retail outlet

"Pagan Temple and Store" doesn't immediately suggest that the primary purpose is religious; the link on his website to Temple leads to a site search engine with "sort by price" options; and the link to Services, rather than informing about religious service times, leads to a page offering fee-based "personal, marrage or family" Counseling, House Cleansing "from unwanted spirits", Tarot Reading, and Water Witching. The link on his website to Teachings leads to a page I found completely uniformative: it seems dashed out rather quickly, and contains a fair quantity of such anodyne pablum as "We must work to seek out teachers" -- and it doesn't do much to explain the Temple's apparent interest in yoga or why their store sells Buddha statues

If he wants to claim a religious or nonprofit exemption for his sales activities, he might have to show the sales are to people whose primary object is to donate to the Temple, or the primary object of the sales is to provide Temple members with objects (such as bat's blood and graveyard dirt) necessary to their religious practice, or that the sales are irregular; if he runs a for-profit business under the guise of a church gift-shop, I'd expect he'll eventually be shutdown

I wouldn't expect him to have many problems if he simply wants to run an internet-based mail-order pagan-supply company from his home. On the other hand, if he wants to turn a building on his property into a retail outlet, with signage and parking, where people can shop for pagan-themed bumperstickers, clothing, jewelry, CDs, andmugs, then zoning is a legitimate consideration. I don't know how zoning works in Beebe. Where I live, people are free to seek a zoning variance or a change in zoning for a property: IIRC this requires some notices published in a local paper and then a public hearing at one of the usual scheduled meetings of the council or commission; and anyone can signup to speak on the proposal

I can't understand why he insists on "Temple and Store" unless he's hoping to run a for-profit business under the guise of a non-profit religious organization. Much of what he offers -- say, Go green with this tote bag, great for shopping, going to the gym, yoga class, or taking wherever you travel -- seems not to be necessary to a religious practice. The home page says Seekers Temple can provide the items shown in appreciation for your donations, but the pricing seems roughly retail, and there's a shipping charge. Nonprofits, that I've worked with, have sometimes offered gifts ("For a $50 donation, we'll send you a free durable-mesh reusable grocery bag&quot , but the gift is always slight compared to the donation and clearly shows the primary object of the exchange is donation to the organization


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Silly boy, did he forget he is in America where intolerant christian assholes run everything? randys1 Jun 2014 #1
looks like a law suit on infringement of one's constitutional rights... beachbum bob Jun 2014 #2
They probably don't have much money..... Swede Atlanta Jun 2014 #29
True. Hope the ACLU takes up the case. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #32
Well, of course they did. Iggo Jun 2014 #3
I'll bet they feel like super spiritual warriors now, Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #4
+1 million Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #33
This has nothing to do with Religion. It's political Heddi Jun 2014 #5
... LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #6
Oh, "I doubt very much Heddi Jun 2014 #11
LMFAO trotsky Jun 2014 #14
Not to interrupt your chucklefest, but which DUer are you passive-aggressively calling out this time rug Jun 2014 #17
Looks like somebody got hit okasha Jun 2014 #24
That happens frequently in a circle jerk. rug Jun 2014 #25
Yep. okasha Jun 2014 #28
You know this from experience? cleanhippie Jun 2014 #44
How interesting that phrase piqued your interest. rug Jun 2014 #47
says the guy who found the fapping subgroup on reddit Lordquinton Jun 2014 #48
Says the guy who knew what the fapping group on reddit is. rug Jun 2014 #49
States Rights! Iggo Jun 2014 #10
Agreed, even if not proven in this. The ISIS and Boko Harum actions aren't about religion, either. freshwest Jun 2014 #22
Exactly. A lot is blamed on religion that religion has nothing to do with. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #34
It diverts attention from motivations of all who oppose or support. Strip it to the basic intent. freshwest Jun 2014 #36
yes it turns out that religion has no influence at all on people's behavior. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #37
Well, except when that behavior is good, of course. trotsky Jun 2014 #43
The knee jerk responses to this are pretty hilarious. cbayer Jun 2014 #7
Except that according to the high priest, Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #9
If you watch the video, the issue is around his wanting to sell things. cbayer Jun 2014 #13
I guess we will find out. EDIT: more information... Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #15
Here is a link to their website. cbayer Jun 2014 #18
" to elect only those who will stand firm doing the will of God and not their will. " beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #19
Those losers! libodem Jun 2014 #8
The knee jerk responses by people who can't read an article are pretty hillarious Heddi Jun 2014 #12
Is anyone besides High Priest Betram Dahl claiming the alderman said "Your ‘God isn’t my God’"? rug Jun 2014 #16
Good questio0. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #35
Well this is just silly. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #20
Nice knee-jerk response, heathen! trotsky Jun 2014 #21
I don't know why people keep posting stuff about religious discrimination in the Religion forum. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #26
It does seem the Victory Worship Center is directly across the street from him struggle4progress Jun 2014 #23
There's a first-amendment slam dunk okasha Jun 2014 #31
He doesn't have any case unless he actually applies for a permit struggle4progress Jun 2014 #38
True. okasha Jun 2014 #39
3 of us are going to the City Council meeting on Monday to figure this out too. Know the HP, not in Hestia Jun 2014 #52
I am so glad that you have weighed in here, Hestia. cbayer Jun 2014 #53
I will definitely bring the info back - there is so much "stuff" being bandied about Hestia Jun 2014 #54
Yes, thanks for weighing in. Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #55
It will be interesting to hear what you learn struggle4progress Jun 2014 #56
He is trying to do both things - store & temple - and believe it or not, they are not mutually Hestia Jun 2014 #57
One question will be whether the activities are church or business struggle4progress Jun 2014 #58
Some lawyer is about to make some money Gothmog Jun 2014 #27
Seems to me like the elected officials are trying to hide behind some technicalities to prevent hrmjustin Jun 2014 #30
The first amendment does not cover commercial activity so if the city says no store because of Leontius Jun 2014 #45
Would it be first amendment (ish) Goblinmonger Jun 2014 #46
Here's a story from his website: struggle4progress Jun 2014 #40
That only makes the city look worse and worse (nt) LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #41
Looks to be a lot of "How to Lose Friends and Alienate People" there struggle4progress Jun 2014 #42
Which means that Dalh is not guilty of the charge LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #50
America has freedom of religion!* xfundy Jun 2014 #51
WENT TO THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING - BEEBE, AR - JUNE 23rd 2014 Hestia Jun 2014 #59
Thank you very much for this first-person report! trotsky Jun 2014 #60
You are most welcome :) Hestia Jun 2014 #62
Thanks edhopper Jun 2014 #61
Y'all are so welcome - I know everyone wanted to really know what is going on and there is Hestia Jun 2014 #68
They should crowd source it Marrah_G Jul 2014 #71
Thank you so very much for this, Hestia. cbayer Jun 2014 #63
Thank you, Hestia. okasha Jun 2014 #64
Awesome! LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #65
Thanks for the info struggle4progress Jun 2014 #66
Thank you Struggle - I had forgotten about that... Hestia Jun 2014 #67
It might be a matter of public record in Arkansas: maybe the SoS or AG struggle4progress Jun 2014 #69
Thank you Hestia Marrah_G Jul 2014 #70
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