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Hestia

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57. He is trying to do both things - store & temple - and believe it or not, they are not mutually
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 06:53 PM
Jun 2014

exclusive. Hence - coffee shops, bookstores, etc. in mainstream churches. It's keeping the money at home and with the "proper people." The only difference with ST is that I don't think they will use the money for mission purposes. . Believe it or not, there is a group of us doing almost this same exact thing but have lawyers involved in the whole process about a church/temple and selling of wares. Seems you can pretty much get away with anything if you put 'church' in the title.

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I am not sure why you are nit-picking on the items for sale (tawdry as they are): Graveyard Dirt is a legitimate item in Hoodoo/Rootworker Practices and believe it or not, there is a history of Hoodoo up on that area. Very famous (within the Rootworking community) of a practitioner in that area in the 1930s. People came from all over the South to see her.

He/Temple may not need - and I certainly hope not - Graveyard Dirt but some people do for their practices. Along with Bat's Blood, Angel Water, Coon Dong, Lucky Hand Root, etc. Lots of info here - http://luckymojo.com - about what these items are used for. Yes, these are items that scare the bejubus out of people and gives Pagan's a bad name in general and makes us all to be demon practitioners.

Hopefully, in my lifetime, I shall never *need* Graveyard Dirt, but do I know how to use it? Yep, I do. I studied Hoodoo for awhile because it is indigenous to the US and the South. I wanted something a little closer to home, so to say. But Hoodoo is not for me. It is not for me to judge another's practice, but for me, it is too vindictive.

The Buddhist/Tibetan items - and? so? what? I have Buddha, a Kwan Yin and a Ganesha in my home but am I Hindu or Buddhist? No, but I like Them, their energies and goodness - their qualities. They are helpers on this plane of existence for humankind and have qualities that we should encourage in others.

Not every Goddess and God has such qualities/energies and have had many discussions about honoring (or worshiping) chthonic beings today because they are from another time that we will not and do not understand. I am of the mind, no we shouldn't, and honor only those that have had continual contact with humans, such as Isis, Thoth, Hecate, etc. They have always been honored in lodges and circles throughout our history and are generally considered "safe."

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ST has been open in another town in the same country for 5 years. Surely if he has been open this whole time that he has done the proper paperwork. He/They didn't get a bug up their butt and just open a store. I am "assuming" that since they moved just down the road that the same laws would apply in part of the county as another. Who knows, he hadn't even unpacked boxes yet before this all started and I think it started in February of this year. And a city can give you the run around for 6 months before you get pissed and start bring in the media.

I - and other - are posting on their FB about us coming up and I want him to sit down and explain to us all the particulars in person. Anther HP who has gone through the same thing in another town in Ark. and won will be there for guidance if he accepts it.

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Silly boy, did he forget he is in America where intolerant christian assholes run everything? randys1 Jun 2014 #1
looks like a law suit on infringement of one's constitutional rights... beachbum bob Jun 2014 #2
They probably don't have much money..... Swede Atlanta Jun 2014 #29
True. Hope the ACLU takes up the case. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #32
Well, of course they did. Iggo Jun 2014 #3
I'll bet they feel like super spiritual warriors now, Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #4
+1 million Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #33
This has nothing to do with Religion. It's political Heddi Jun 2014 #5
... LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #6
Oh, "I doubt very much Heddi Jun 2014 #11
LMFAO trotsky Jun 2014 #14
Not to interrupt your chucklefest, but which DUer are you passive-aggressively calling out this time rug Jun 2014 #17
Looks like somebody got hit okasha Jun 2014 #24
That happens frequently in a circle jerk. rug Jun 2014 #25
Yep. okasha Jun 2014 #28
You know this from experience? cleanhippie Jun 2014 #44
How interesting that phrase piqued your interest. rug Jun 2014 #47
says the guy who found the fapping subgroup on reddit Lordquinton Jun 2014 #48
Says the guy who knew what the fapping group on reddit is. rug Jun 2014 #49
States Rights! Iggo Jun 2014 #10
Agreed, even if not proven in this. The ISIS and Boko Harum actions aren't about religion, either. freshwest Jun 2014 #22
Exactly. A lot is blamed on religion that religion has nothing to do with. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #34
It diverts attention from motivations of all who oppose or support. Strip it to the basic intent. freshwest Jun 2014 #36
yes it turns out that religion has no influence at all on people's behavior. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #37
Well, except when that behavior is good, of course. trotsky Jun 2014 #43
The knee jerk responses to this are pretty hilarious. cbayer Jun 2014 #7
Except that according to the high priest, Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #9
If you watch the video, the issue is around his wanting to sell things. cbayer Jun 2014 #13
I guess we will find out. EDIT: more information... Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #15
Here is a link to their website. cbayer Jun 2014 #18
" to elect only those who will stand firm doing the will of God and not their will. " beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #19
Those losers! libodem Jun 2014 #8
The knee jerk responses by people who can't read an article are pretty hillarious Heddi Jun 2014 #12
Is anyone besides High Priest Betram Dahl claiming the alderman said "Your ‘God isn’t my God’"? rug Jun 2014 #16
Good questio0. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #35
Well this is just silly. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #20
Nice knee-jerk response, heathen! trotsky Jun 2014 #21
I don't know why people keep posting stuff about religious discrimination in the Religion forum. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #26
It does seem the Victory Worship Center is directly across the street from him struggle4progress Jun 2014 #23
There's a first-amendment slam dunk okasha Jun 2014 #31
He doesn't have any case unless he actually applies for a permit struggle4progress Jun 2014 #38
True. okasha Jun 2014 #39
3 of us are going to the City Council meeting on Monday to figure this out too. Know the HP, not in Hestia Jun 2014 #52
I am so glad that you have weighed in here, Hestia. cbayer Jun 2014 #53
I will definitely bring the info back - there is so much "stuff" being bandied about Hestia Jun 2014 #54
Yes, thanks for weighing in. Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #55
It will be interesting to hear what you learn struggle4progress Jun 2014 #56
He is trying to do both things - store & temple - and believe it or not, they are not mutually Hestia Jun 2014 #57
One question will be whether the activities are church or business struggle4progress Jun 2014 #58
Some lawyer is about to make some money Gothmog Jun 2014 #27
Seems to me like the elected officials are trying to hide behind some technicalities to prevent hrmjustin Jun 2014 #30
The first amendment does not cover commercial activity so if the city says no store because of Leontius Jun 2014 #45
Would it be first amendment (ish) Goblinmonger Jun 2014 #46
Here's a story from his website: struggle4progress Jun 2014 #40
That only makes the city look worse and worse (nt) LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #41
Looks to be a lot of "How to Lose Friends and Alienate People" there struggle4progress Jun 2014 #42
Which means that Dalh is not guilty of the charge LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #50
America has freedom of religion!* xfundy Jun 2014 #51
WENT TO THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING - BEEBE, AR - JUNE 23rd 2014 Hestia Jun 2014 #59
Thank you very much for this first-person report! trotsky Jun 2014 #60
You are most welcome :) Hestia Jun 2014 #62
Thanks edhopper Jun 2014 #61
Y'all are so welcome - I know everyone wanted to really know what is going on and there is Hestia Jun 2014 #68
They should crowd source it Marrah_G Jul 2014 #71
Thank you so very much for this, Hestia. cbayer Jun 2014 #63
Thank you, Hestia. okasha Jun 2014 #64
Awesome! LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #65
Thanks for the info struggle4progress Jun 2014 #66
Thank you Struggle - I had forgotten about that... Hestia Jun 2014 #67
It might be a matter of public record in Arkansas: maybe the SoS or AG struggle4progress Jun 2014 #69
Thank you Hestia Marrah_G Jul 2014 #70
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