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struggle4progress

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58. One question will be whether the activities are church or business
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:25 PM
Jun 2014

Contrary to the view often expressed in this forum, you can't just conduct business-like activities and claim exemption from the usual laws, such as tax laws, by declaring yourself a church

... Certain characteristics are generally attributed to churches. These attributes of a church have been developed by the IRS and by court decisions. They include: distinct legal existence; recognized creed and form of worship; definite and distinct ecclesiastical government; formal code of doctrine and discipline; distinct religious history; membership not associated with any other church or denomination; organization of ordained ministers; ordained ministers selected after completing prescribed courses of study; literature of its own; established places of worship; regular congregations; regular religious services; Sunday schools for the religious instruction of the young; schools for the preparation of its ministers. The IRS generally uses a combination of these characteristics, together with other facts and circumstances, to determine whether an organization is considered a church for federal tax purposes ... Unlike churches, religious organizations that wish to be tax exempt generally must apply to the IRS for tax-exempt status unless their gross receipts do not normally exceed $5,000 annually ... http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf


Just because he says it's a church, doesn't mean the tax authorities would consider it that. I discussed his beliefs and services pages because the questions of having "recognized creed and form of worship; .. formal code of doctrine and discipline; .. regular religious services" and so on, are relevant to the question of whether he has a church

... Whether or not a church is involved in an activity that could result in it owing <unrelated business income tax> is based upon a three-part test (all three have to be present):
1. Is the activity generally considered a trade or business? This usually means that the activity involves providing the sale of goods and services in exchange for payment ...
2. Is the activity regularly carried on? Most church bake sales occur on certain designated weekends, and accordingly are not viewed as being regularly carried on ...
3. Is the activity substantially related to an exempt purpose? If the activity does not contribute in an important way to the exempt purposes of the church, it could lead to tax liability ...
http://churchexecutive.com/archives/does-the-church-bake-sale-threaten-your-tax-exempt-status


A red flag here is that he calls his operation "Temple and Store" and provides it a webpages primarily dedicated to sales

One might distinguish between sales, substantially related to an exempt purpose, and other sales. I mentioned the bat's blood and graveyard dirt as potentially falling into the first category, whereas it seems harder to argue that pagan-themed bumperstickers, clothing, jewelry, CDs, and mugs fall into the first category

I mentioned the Buddha statue because it is completely unclear from his beliefs-page whether selling Buddha statues is substantially related to an exempt purpose

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Silly boy, did he forget he is in America where intolerant christian assholes run everything? randys1 Jun 2014 #1
looks like a law suit on infringement of one's constitutional rights... beachbum bob Jun 2014 #2
They probably don't have much money..... Swede Atlanta Jun 2014 #29
True. Hope the ACLU takes up the case. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #32
Well, of course they did. Iggo Jun 2014 #3
I'll bet they feel like super spiritual warriors now, Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #4
+1 million Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #33
This has nothing to do with Religion. It's political Heddi Jun 2014 #5
... LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #6
Oh, "I doubt very much Heddi Jun 2014 #11
LMFAO trotsky Jun 2014 #14
Not to interrupt your chucklefest, but which DUer are you passive-aggressively calling out this time rug Jun 2014 #17
Looks like somebody got hit okasha Jun 2014 #24
That happens frequently in a circle jerk. rug Jun 2014 #25
Yep. okasha Jun 2014 #28
You know this from experience? cleanhippie Jun 2014 #44
How interesting that phrase piqued your interest. rug Jun 2014 #47
says the guy who found the fapping subgroup on reddit Lordquinton Jun 2014 #48
Says the guy who knew what the fapping group on reddit is. rug Jun 2014 #49
States Rights! Iggo Jun 2014 #10
Agreed, even if not proven in this. The ISIS and Boko Harum actions aren't about religion, either. freshwest Jun 2014 #22
Exactly. A lot is blamed on religion that religion has nothing to do with. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #34
It diverts attention from motivations of all who oppose or support. Strip it to the basic intent. freshwest Jun 2014 #36
yes it turns out that religion has no influence at all on people's behavior. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #37
Well, except when that behavior is good, of course. trotsky Jun 2014 #43
The knee jerk responses to this are pretty hilarious. cbayer Jun 2014 #7
Except that according to the high priest, Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #9
If you watch the video, the issue is around his wanting to sell things. cbayer Jun 2014 #13
I guess we will find out. EDIT: more information... Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #15
Here is a link to their website. cbayer Jun 2014 #18
" to elect only those who will stand firm doing the will of God and not their will. " beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #19
Those losers! libodem Jun 2014 #8
The knee jerk responses by people who can't read an article are pretty hillarious Heddi Jun 2014 #12
Is anyone besides High Priest Betram Dahl claiming the alderman said "Your ‘God isn’t my God’"? rug Jun 2014 #16
Good questio0. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #35
Well this is just silly. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #20
Nice knee-jerk response, heathen! trotsky Jun 2014 #21
I don't know why people keep posting stuff about religious discrimination in the Religion forum. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #26
It does seem the Victory Worship Center is directly across the street from him struggle4progress Jun 2014 #23
There's a first-amendment slam dunk okasha Jun 2014 #31
He doesn't have any case unless he actually applies for a permit struggle4progress Jun 2014 #38
True. okasha Jun 2014 #39
3 of us are going to the City Council meeting on Monday to figure this out too. Know the HP, not in Hestia Jun 2014 #52
I am so glad that you have weighed in here, Hestia. cbayer Jun 2014 #53
I will definitely bring the info back - there is so much "stuff" being bandied about Hestia Jun 2014 #54
Yes, thanks for weighing in. Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #55
It will be interesting to hear what you learn struggle4progress Jun 2014 #56
He is trying to do both things - store & temple - and believe it or not, they are not mutually Hestia Jun 2014 #57
One question will be whether the activities are church or business struggle4progress Jun 2014 #58
Some lawyer is about to make some money Gothmog Jun 2014 #27
Seems to me like the elected officials are trying to hide behind some technicalities to prevent hrmjustin Jun 2014 #30
The first amendment does not cover commercial activity so if the city says no store because of Leontius Jun 2014 #45
Would it be first amendment (ish) Goblinmonger Jun 2014 #46
Here's a story from his website: struggle4progress Jun 2014 #40
That only makes the city look worse and worse (nt) LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #41
Looks to be a lot of "How to Lose Friends and Alienate People" there struggle4progress Jun 2014 #42
Which means that Dalh is not guilty of the charge LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #50
America has freedom of religion!* xfundy Jun 2014 #51
WENT TO THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING - BEEBE, AR - JUNE 23rd 2014 Hestia Jun 2014 #59
Thank you very much for this first-person report! trotsky Jun 2014 #60
You are most welcome :) Hestia Jun 2014 #62
Thanks edhopper Jun 2014 #61
Y'all are so welcome - I know everyone wanted to really know what is going on and there is Hestia Jun 2014 #68
They should crowd source it Marrah_G Jul 2014 #71
Thank you so very much for this, Hestia. cbayer Jun 2014 #63
Thank you, Hestia. okasha Jun 2014 #64
Awesome! LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #65
Thanks for the info struggle4progress Jun 2014 #66
Thank you Struggle - I had forgotten about that... Hestia Jun 2014 #67
It might be a matter of public record in Arkansas: maybe the SoS or AG struggle4progress Jun 2014 #69
Thank you Hestia Marrah_G Jul 2014 #70
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