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cbayer

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46. Less reverence by whom?

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #44)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:17 AM

Jun 2014

The general population? Religious people?

The problem is that your solution is not workable. You want to teach the world to reject religion in the same way that you reject it, and that's just not going to happen.

So, if you possibly could, which I am not at all sure you can, I think you should consider how to get along and reward the good while punishing the bad.

Religion is not astrology and your equating the two is why you are probably going to be one of the least effective kinds of people in trying to change things. Your disdain is palpable and that is just not going to work.

It's not going to work at all, not that I think there is anything that can be done about it.

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My TEDx Talk: Reality Reconciles Science and Religion [View all] cbayer Jun 2014 OP

Loved this talk libodem Jun 2014 #1

Isn't he great! cbayer Jun 2014 #2

TED = Mainly a Self-Aggrandizing vehicle of Self-Promotion & Book Sales. TheBlackAdder Jun 2014 #3

I have been able to get past the sales pitches for the most part cbayer Jun 2014 #5

TED is a marketing platform, nothing more. TheBlackAdder Jun 2014 #7

Why do you make assumptions about what I may or may not take cbayer Jun 2014 #8

That's a predictable defensive posture. Try your prior posting trends over time. TheBlackAdder Jun 2014 #15

Predictable defensive posture. cbayer Jun 2014 #16

"Lessen divisions between believers and non-believers." That's a good one. TheBlackAdder Jun 2014 #23

Lol, you feel free to define me. cbayer Jun 2014 #24

If the shoe fits. TheBlackAdder Jun 2014 #25

28% of Americans think the Bible is the literal word of God muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #39

And how would your propose that be addressed when it interferes with cbayer Jun 2014 #43

Hard to know, but less reverence for religion and preachers would be part of it, I think muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #44

Less reverence by whom? cbayer Jun 2014 #46

Politicians - the people who currently pander to religion to pick up votes muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #48

Fallen for the con? cbayer Jun 2014 #55

"I am so much smarter than you." trotsky Jun 2014 #57

that's a cool, refreshing post. Heddi Jun 2014 #70

"religion is not astrology" muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #58

Where did I say that astrology was a delusion, muriel? cbayer Jun 2014 #60

I said you've fallen for the con that religion is superior to astrology muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #62

Hm…. 74% vs. 29%... cbayer Jun 2014 #63

Yes, that is comparable muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #64

Well, then it's a damn good thing you can't find a horoscope in every mainstream newspaper in the US AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #69

Who are you to decide who gets "reward(ed)" or "punish(ed)"? trotsky Jun 2014 #51

"and that's just not going to happen" AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #68

Wonderful talk! TM99 Jun 2014 #4

Glad you enjoyed it. I did, too. cbayer Jun 2014 #6

Great stuff The Blue Flower Jun 2014 #9

Been a very long time since I saw a Ted talk worth the time to watch it. gcomeau Jun 2014 #10

How dare you look at things rationally? skepticscott Jun 2014 #12

Heh... gcomeau Jun 2014 #14

Great post. trotsky Jun 2014 #21

Tedx is particularly hit and miss pokerfan Jun 2014 #22

Well put - we can tell they don't follow Dowd's thinking, because they insist on their differences muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #45

Reality doesn't reconcile them... MellowDem Jun 2014 #11

It's a past time here. Lordquinton Jun 2014 #13

Great video Gothmog Jun 2014 #17

Glad you liked it. If there are ways to make the two areas compatible, cbayer Jun 2014 #18

"A personal (I - Thou) relationship to reality is vital." Jim__ Jun 2014 #19

But he does illustrate how that gap has been filled in the past. cbayer Jun 2014 #20

So should we personify deification -- or deify personification? immoderate Jun 2014 #26

I think the purpose it may serve is not one that is aimed at you, cbayer Jun 2014 #27

Doubletalk though it be, I'm not dismissing it. immoderate Jun 2014 #34

TEDx has a storied history of failing hard in its vetting process Act_of_Reparation Jun 2014 #28

Sorry you did not enjoy this. cbayer Jun 2014 #29

I don't have enjoy the things people post to enjoy discussing them. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2014 #30

What do you think about it as a way to possibly reach out cbayer Jun 2014 #31

It's complicated Act_of_Reparation Jun 2014 #32

I think your arguments about evolution apply almost all the time to almost cbayer Jun 2014 #33

Human evolution is not unique Act_of_Reparation Jun 2014 #35

I support whatever may work, but I agree with others cbayer Jun 2014 #36

"It's about finding a way to make it compatible for those with strong religious beliefs." trotsky Jun 2014 #37

If you can reconcile science and religion, that's great. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2014 #38

Exactly. trotsky Jun 2014 #40

The funny thing is, I actually can reconcile god and evolution Act_of_Reparation Jun 2014 #41

I'm not advocating misrepresenting science at all. cbayer Jun 2014 #42

Dowd certainly is. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2014 #47

I don't hear him saying it's a guided process, but I may have just processed it differently. cbayer Jun 2014 #53

That doesn't really make it better Act_of_Reparation Jun 2014 #59

"Just sayin" that I wish you could say it a little more succinctly. cbayer Jun 2014 #61

I really don't understand your attitude. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2014 #65

Well done. trotsky Jun 2014 #66

You are right. cbayer Jun 2014 #67

You have skepticscott Jun 2014 #72

Do you mind if I tell you I think I'm in love with you? Heddi Jun 2014 #71

Of course I don't mind. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2014 #74

What for? AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #50

More or less on the money Act_of_Reparation Jun 2014 #52

The suggestion is not that people be encouraged to hang on to cbayer Jun 2014 #54

This is a basic logical syllogism. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2014 #56

If people are only hanging onto beliefs skepticscott Jun 2014 #73

I remain an atheist by his 'metrics'. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #49