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Goblinmonger

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Reply to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #94)

Tue Jun 24, 2014, 08:09 AM

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Yes, Religion Can Still Be A Force For Good In The World. Here Are 100 Examples How [View all] cbayer Jun 2014 OP

Saying religion "can be" a force for good is missing the point gcomeau Jun 2014 #1

Great post. trotsky Jun 2014 #2

It's a "great post" only if you approve of anti-religious bigotry Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #75

LMAO! trotsky Jun 2014 #87

No, we dislike it when skepticscott Jun 2014 #91

That statement was bigoted Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #94

Your main problem right now, FA, apart from your incredible dishonesty... trotsky Jun 2014 #95

Unlike you, Trotsky, I am ALWAYS honest. Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #98

Fascinating that you yourself can post the definition, but you cannot see that the poster in questio AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #100

BWAH HA HA HA HA trotsky Jun 2014 #107

.... Goblinmonger Jun 2014 #96

As expected, all you have is lame hand-waving skepticscott Jun 2014 #97

OK, show me that the statement Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #99

Um, it doesn't say your extrapolation at all. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #101

OK. Here it goes Goblinmonger Jun 2014 #103

Fortinbras also abused 'undermines' to mean 'incapable of rational thought.' AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #104

Didn't want to confuse him. Goblinmonger Jun 2014 #105

In your mind it is saying that religious people are incapable skepticscott Jun 2014 #118

If it is not say that religious people are incapable of rational thought, then what does it say? Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #134

Apparently you can't skepticscott Jun 2014 #92

Yeah, I can't accept bigotry Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #93

You can't IDENTIFY bigotry. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #102

Yeah, the kind of religion you describe has big issues. Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #3

It goes well beyond the notion of "God's testing us to see if we obey". trotsky Jun 2014 #8

Some kinds of Calvinism are like that. Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #9

How do you suppose someone who believes abortion is murder... trotsky Jun 2014 #11

Poorly, in many cases. Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #17

In your opinion. trotsky Jun 2014 #19

Speaking of holy texts... Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #22

Your link doesn't go any where. Is it supposed to? Jim__ Jun 2014 #23

Thanks, fixed! Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #24

Thanks. Jim__ Jun 2014 #25

Yes, various sects in Christianity generally all have their preferred translations. trotsky Jun 2014 #27

Then I leave you to your opinions, Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #30

Opinions indeed. trotsky Jun 2014 #36

How the various religions define love isn't the problem Act_of_Reparation Jun 2014 #21

That was an example of a tradition making morality Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #33

As I admittedly lack the philosophical chops... Act_of_Reparation Jun 2014 #34

"The kind of religion you describe" is exactly the kind of religion skepticscott Jun 2014 #12

I agree that there are a lot of conservative religious folks out there. Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #18

Yup. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #52

And the fallout/unintended consequences? AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #4

Thank you for pointing that out. Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #5

Oh my. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #6

You're welcome! Htom Sirveaux Jun 2014 #7

Yeah the comment suggesting the schools be burnt down was really fantastic. Leontius Jun 2014 #14

It's a little extreme. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #15

Here's what you actually have skepticscott Jun 2014 #10

I was going to say the same thing. rickford66 Jun 2014 #131

If anyone could do it, why is it primarily religious people who are doing it? rug Jun 2014 #132

all of those "good" things can be done 100% as well without any religion nt msongs Jun 2014 #13

Agree. But a lot of them aren't being done. cbayer Jun 2014 #16

Two things: trotsky Jun 2014 #20

Great atricle! My parish made the list by the way. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #26

That is so cool, justin! cbayer Jun 2014 #28

No we don't use parishioners for this program. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #29

But all this kind of help can be provided by any charity intaglio Jun 2014 #31

I don't think it merits special praise, but cbayer Jun 2014 #32

Or funded by the taxpayer. trotsky Jun 2014 #35

Sorry to be repetitive, but I think the context really counts - pinto Jun 2014 #37

Sure context counts. trotsky Jun 2014 #38

Both govt and secular groups support various programs. Often govt does it thru the grant process. pinto Jun 2014 #39

Then how about we drop the nonsense about religious groups being the only thing... trotsky Jun 2014 #40

I'm not going to get into this roundabout. When I have input, I'll post. pinto Jun 2014 #42

You already drove yourself right into it. trotsky Jun 2014 #43

Thank you I agree with your points. phil89 Jun 2014 #61

OK. Suggest you confront the RW agenda and leave personal issues to the side. pinto Jun 2014 #63

Puh-lease. trotsky Jun 2014 #66

Which, of course, no one said Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #76

Bwah ha ha ha! trotsky Jun 2014 #88

Why shouldn't they be extolled? hrmjustin Jun 2014 #41

Where, if anywhere, did I say they should not be extolled? intaglio Jun 2014 #44

How are they attracting special praise? hrmjustin Jun 2014 #45

Because they are being singled out as examples of why religion can be a force for good intaglio Jun 2014 #46

Well it is an atricle specifically designed to show the good religion does. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #47

Why? I thought all religion was, by definition, good intaglio Jun 2014 #48

There are plenty of charites both religious and secular have gone bad or are frauds. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #49

So that boils down to religion not being the reason for the charitable works in the OP intaglio Jun 2014 #50

The articles point is to show religion at its best. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #51

And how does that has relevance to my previous comment? intaglio Jun 2014 #56

I am sorry but I don't get your complaint about this article. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #58

That is now obvious n/t intaglio Jun 2014 #59

Well you have a good night. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #60

What's wrong with that? okasha Jun 2014 #82

Ok there are several varied points in your post intaglio Jun 2014 #83

Thanks, that helps me understand where you're coming from okasha Jun 2014 #84

We'll have to agree to differ about the "angle" - for now intaglio Jun 2014 #86

You're right. okasha Jun 2014 #89

Continued from above. Phone doesn't handle edits well. okasha Jun 2014 #90

"remember the church worker does not only want to save the body" goldent Jun 2014 #85

Because they're the ones doing it. rug Jun 2014 #53

They are being extolled, in this instance, because of their religions intaglio Jun 2014 #54

They are being extolled because they are - and have been - doing it. rug Jun 2014 #55

So their faith has nothing to do with their works intaglio Jun 2014 #57

I'm sure it has a lot do do with it but they're being acknowledged for their works not their faith. rug Jun 2014 #62

But the reason for the article is to exemplify faith intaglio Jun 2014 #64

I am curious as to why you didn't reply to my response to you. cbayer Jun 2014 #65

Because, largely, your original response was pretty uncontroversial intaglio Jun 2014 #67

I don't think it is special pleading at all. cbayer Jun 2014 #68

But cbayer, why the need to praise and single out belief or even non-belief when it comes to... trotsky Jun 2014 #69

Because it is a vital part of her agenda skepticscott Jun 2014 #70

It's almost if they are making $$$ or get their livelihood from religion. n/t Fix The Stupid Jun 2014 #71

I know, from selling books skepticscott Jun 2014 #72

If you actually check my posts I have said, explicitly, that good should be extolled intaglio Jun 2014 #73

Well we will have to disagree on this because I don't cbayer Jun 2014 #74

The organization teaches youths to work together to solve problems. Ilsa Jun 2014 #77

Exactly. cbayer Jun 2014 #78

The tip of a very large iceberg goldent Jun 2014 #79

Yes, and the vast majority neither get nor seek recognition. cbayer Jun 2014 #80

Agreed! Without these groups this country would have deeper problems. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #81

None of which require religion phil89 Jun 2014 #106

True but the point of the article ix to point out the good religion does. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #108

So, religion does it? AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #109

I can not say what they would be doing if they wrre not believers but I suspect many would be hrmjustin Jun 2014 #110

I might accept the OP's source claim that it CAN be a force for good, but AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #112

No I think we can just praise these people and leave it at that. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #113

That wasn't the point of the OP. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #114

I think it was to praise religion. The horror! hrmjustin Jun 2014 #117

I'm sure it was. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #120

Posts are posted here to show the bad side of religion. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #123

I suspect this is a psychological thing. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #125

And those ops should be challenged like we challenge thebthreads that show religion in a bad light. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #126

No, no, no!!!! cbayer Jun 2014 #116

thanks cbayer. You would think it is a great sin to praise these organizations from the responses hrmjustin Jun 2014 #119

It is a great sin you apologist!! cbayer Jun 2014 #121

Thanks for posting this op. The responses unfortunately are predictable. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #124

Yet no one actually said that. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #122

And no where in the article does it say that it does require religion. cbayer Jun 2014 #111

First let's see what data you are basing this claim on: trotsky Jun 2014 #115

No one says that religious groups never do good LynnTTT Jun 2014 #127

Actually, most religious charities have no such condition. cbayer Jun 2014 #128

And that claim is based on what facts? skepticscott Jun 2014 #130

Sorry but most religious charities do not require this. Where did you get that from? hrmjustin Jun 2014 #129

"An atheist can also do good.' rug Jun 2014 #133