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[MADem]

68. The only people swarming this thread with "Your shit sucks" and "That's wrong" and "I hate your

source" are the atheists.

Tell me, where do the religious people go to talk about stuff, without atheists derailing the thread so much that the OP deletes the thing? Where?

Don't tell them to go off to their own little faith-based corners. The Muslim isn't going to pop in to the Jewish section, routinely.

Where does the Atheist go to talk over his or her Atheist - based stuff, without having the religious people questioning them? Why, the Atheists and Agnostics forum, where believers are not allowed.

What I notice about this place, every time I stick my head in here, is that it is the ATHEISTS who act like uncivil assholes. Every damn time. I certainly don't agree with much of this religious conversation, but it doesn't bother me to let them make their points. I don't feel the need to jump in and say "You--you're stupid! There is no God! Snark snark snark!"

When I ask questions about these things, like "how does it hurt" for you to just eschew participation every once in a while (i.e., restrain yourself from crapping on the thread), your answer is "It's my RIGHT!!!" Step back, that's what it looks like.

"Everyone is welcome" is a fine element of an SOP--but some take that to mean "Everyone is welcome to act like fucking assholes and shit on any and every thread." That is why I think the religious people should have an Ecumenical forum, similar to "Atheists and Agnostics" where there won't be any crapping on threads that are started to discuss a religious particularity. If one of you thread crappers really wants to discuss the issue, you can copy it and discuss it here, where skewering one another and not coming to any conclusions save who comes off as the biggest asshole is the norm.

I would suggest that you learn the definintion of a personal attack. You plainly are unclear as to the concept. Making note of someone's behavior is not a personal attack. You don't like the description? Don't behave that way.

As for fucking with people, as if you're unclear on the concept, the acts of goading and baiting, dismissing and teasing, AS MANY HERE DO, fits the bill. That's not "bigotry"--that's observing and reporting. Again, don't like the characterization? Stop doing it. There's thread after thread here in this end of the DU world that illustrate the behavior--go looking, you'll find.

I will repeat the assertion I have made, many times in the past. The religious people need a safe-haven ecumenical group if they are ever to enjoy meaningful discussions outside of their own faith ghettos. So long as the only place a Christian can talk to Jews, Muslims, etc., in "mixed company" is here, they will be targets of dismissive and rude thread derailments, and there will be no discussion.

As this thread brilliantly illustrates.

You don't seem to "get" what I am am saying, apparently, because you're so wrapped up in your "rights" to participate in every fucking thread started by a religious person to discuss an interfaith matter. I say leave this sewer up and running--just give the religious an Ecumenical safe-haven so threads like this one don't have to be deleted owing to swarms.