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In reply to the discussion: Maher to Stewart: ‘Drugs are good, religion is bad’ and Obama’s spirituality is ‘bullsh*t’ [View all]LostOne4Ever
(9,768 posts)143. Many debates end up being about the meaning of words
The paper you linked is not a biological science paper. Its about ethics and patent laws.
We are sympathetic to both perspectives,but view this paper as a manageable introduction to a complicated field of law, public policy and ethics that has until recently been the domain of specialists.
It even says that it is creating a definition for higher life forms specifically for that single paper:
1For purposes of this document, higher life forms are defined as multicellular organisms, and humanbiological materials as biological materials or products of human origin or intended for incorporation intothe human phenotype or genotype, including but not necessarily limited to DNA sequences, cell lines,tissues, and organs.
Further, I said specifically, that I never heard it defined the way you are describing in any class, not that I have never heard the term before. When I have heard it, it is usually in reference to position on a clade diagram.
In fact, iirc the only times I have ever heard it was either in the context of someone speaking colloquially using over generalized and common vocabulary in lieu of the exact terminology they usually demand in papers and reports, or in references to theories older than the theory of evolution itself.
This scala naturæ, described in Historia animalium, classified organisms in relation to a hierarchical "Ladder of Life" or "Chain of Being", placing them according to their complexity of structure and function, with organisms that showed greater vitality and ability to move described as "higher organisms".[6] Aristotle believed that features of living organisms showed clearly that they must have had what he called a final cause, that is to say that they had been designed for a purpose.[9] He explicitly rejected the view of Empedocles that living creatures might have originated by chance.
Other Greek philosophers, such as Zeno of Citium (334262 BC) the founder of the Stoic school of philosophy, agreed with Aristotle and other earlier philosophers that nature showed clear evidence of being designed for a purpose; this view is known as teleology.[11] [10]
Other Greek philosophers, such as Zeno of Citium (334262 BC) the founder of the Stoic school of philosophy, agreed with Aristotle and other earlier philosophers that nature showed clear evidence of being designed for a purpose; this view is known as teleology.[11] [10]
Huxley would make advocacy of evolution a cornerstone of the program of the X Club to reform and professionalise science by displacing natural theology with naturalism and to end the domination of British natural science by the clergy. By the early 1870s in English-speaking countries, thanks partly to these efforts, evolution had become the mainstream scientific explanation for the origin of species
Seems we are getting right back to the point that purpose implies design.
Anyway, higher species is not listed in the glossary of biological terms that I can find:
http://www.phschool.com/science/biology_place/glossary/
http://www.sciencedictionary.org/biology/
http://www.macroevolution.net/biology-dictionary.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_biology
Mainly I am getting hits from forums and from things like yahoo answers.
But then in the end, random variability does have a perpouse then don't it?...or is it just a random variability of a random variability?
Seems to me to be a moot point whether it happened by accident or not, it happened and because it did gave it a perpose...for survival of the fittest.
Seems to me to be a moot point whether it happened by accident or not, it happened and because it did gave it a perpose...for survival of the fittest.
Again, purpose implies intention which implies design and a goal...which means it is not random.
If it happened by accident then there is no design, no goal, and no purpose.
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Maher to Stewart: ‘Drugs are good, religion is bad’ and Obama’s spirituality is ‘bullsh*t’ [View all]
cbayer
Jun 2014
OP
no true scotsman. This argument is so frequently made here that I mistakenly believed it could be
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2014
#7
Well the problem is that you make no distinction between belief and an organized religion.
zeemike
Jun 2014
#11
Declaring something a sin, and promulagting that idea to a huge percenatge of the planet
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2014
#61
you left out 2. purpose, plan, or intention that exists ... in a material object.
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2014
#179
It is thought that it is advantageous because it confers the organism greater
LostOne4Ever
Jun 2014
#161
that would just be a revealed truth that happened to correspond to observed reality
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2014
#10
I think your argument ends up effectivelty denying the existence of an external omnipotent deity.
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2014
#19
Are you saying that the point of gods is to declare particular ideas certain and indisputable?
Htom Sirveaux
Jun 2014
#25
You don't think it is even remotely possible that politicians pretend to be religious?
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2014
#24
Bill Maher is an entertainer. He makes his money off of saying really outrageous things.
cbayer
Jun 2014
#30
Well, underlying the assumption you and many other believers have made about Hitler seems to be:
trotsky
Jun 2014
#40
Some biographers insist that Hitler was a Catholic; altar boy as a matter of fact
Brettongarcia
Jun 2014
#132
I believe him and see no reason to question his faith. what makes you question his faith?
hrmjustin
Jun 2014
#45
And those few who are not are some of the most outrageously annoying people on earth.
cbayer
Jun 2014
#54
These are two commedians, telling jokes. How seriously should we take this?
Brettongarcia
Jun 2014
#178