Religion

bongbong

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1. Religious nuts

Reply to Humanist_Activist (Original post)

Mon Mar 12, 2012, 11:49 AM

Mar 2012

On the theme of your essay, the problem religious nuts have with it is that they think humans are "god-like". They think humans & life as we know it is literally a miracle like science fiction. "Natural processes couldn't have produced such wonders! And any natural process that I can't understand is worthless because I am all-knowing since I am religious and god speaks to me since I am so religious! If I wasn't so religious god wouldn't speak to me, and thus I wouldn't live forever, and thus my faith MUST be the TRUTH!"

Obviously they're wrong. But their faith demands that they jettison any facts & logic that proves them wrong...while vigorously trying to use facts & logic to justify their "truth" on those rare occasions when tortured rhetoric allows them to misuse (carefully selected) facts & logic. In other words, religious types want to have their cake & eat it too.

Religion is SO easily dismissed with logic, that it amazes me how many billions are still in its thrall. But since that thrall is based on emotion & not mind, it happens.

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Religious nuts bongbong Mar 2012 #1

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bongbong Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #8

Two posts and two insults, all the while calling for just that to stop. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #11

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It's the hypocrisy I object to. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #18

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Turnabout is fair play has always been a good rule. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #39

Interesting take. Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #42

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Ah, shucks! nt Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #28

In the very same post: napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #16

Um, do you have me confused with someone else perhaps? n/t trotsky Mar 2012 #22

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Do all atheists look alike to you? n/t Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #33

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