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Warren Stupidity

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80. no okasha, that is not what happened

Reply to okasha (Reply #78)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 05:24 PM

Jul 2014

but if that narrative keeps you thinking that you are "winning", more power to you.

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Can someone help me with a Bible question? [View all] dixiegrrrrl Jul 2014 OP

When they went to the east of Eden, in the land of Nod Warpy Jul 2014 #1

Did he found the Brotherhood of Nod? DetlefK Jul 2014 #32

Obviously with Eve. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #2

Was Eve maried to Adam is what I'd like to know. thecrow Jul 2014 #129

Only if Eve or Adam was married to someone else. okasha Jul 2014 #130

Not other parents were mentioned, though thecrow Jul 2014 #131

Precisely. okasha Jul 2014 #134

If you want something besides snark, you may want to post this in the Interfaith group. cbayer Jul 2014 #3

Hey cbayer.... dixiegrrrrl Jul 2014 #6

The story makes absolutely no sense at all. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #8

Your cofidence in us is always touching. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #9

Whatever. Give it a shot Justin. Explain how the sons of Eve procreated. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #10

As I said below, it is assumed Adam and Eve had daughters but were not named. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #11

So incest? Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #12

Yes. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #13

You do understand that direct inbreeding like this has serious unfortunate consequences Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #17

Well I believe it is allegory. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #18

synonyms: parable, analogy, metaphor, symbol, emblem Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #21

Why it was written like this I can not tell you. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #23

I don't understand why you just don't chuck defense of the indefensible. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #25

I don't believe it is mostly nonsense. I don't know why you would say this to me. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #26

Genesis is a collection of myths Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2014 #145

The prohibition against okasha Jul 2014 #28

So god didn't understand why incest was a bad idea, particularly between close relatives? Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #73

Apoplexy accepted. okasha Jul 2014 #76

lack of argument, personal attack noted. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #77

Broad brush noted. rug Jul 2014 #89

Sarah and Abraham were siblings. SummerSnow Jul 2014 #79

Yes. okasha Jul 2014 #91

Of course, it is also highly likely that humans engaged in episodic inbreeding during LTX Jul 2014 #96

I really don't think we were ever down to one pair of individuals. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #97

One pair of individuals is not a prerequisite for inbreeding. LTX Jul 2014 #98

Sure. Not my point. One pair is almost Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #99

Likely so. n/t LTX Jul 2014 #100

not at all almost certain. the risks are certainly much higher, but it's not even 50%. unblock Jul 2014 #101

Adam and Eve had daughters. SummerSnow Jul 2014 #81

yes. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #83

I'll tell you how it was explained to me. Mariana Jul 2014 #139

A&A? rug Jul 2014 #15

Nothing in the A&A SOP/Haven info about sagely nodding and respectfully withholding all questions AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #50

The word used was "nonsense". rug Jul 2014 #65

The word "nonsense" is charitable. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #68

It is. But I suspect we're thinking of different rooms. rug Jul 2014 #69

What are you saying is nonsense? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #70

My guess is edhopper Jul 2014 #71

I thought this was becoming about safe havens. my mistake I guess. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #72

And I hope you enjoy AA. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #67

It is the perfect place for criticism of beliefs especially Bortman33 Jul 2014 #87

And AA serves a good purpose and I am glad you have it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #88

Being charitable, I'm assuming okasha Jul 2014 #90

That sounds good but doesn't explain all the posts complaining about DU and DU members. rug Jul 2014 #92

That book (collection of books) is so vile, it doesn't deserve better treatment. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #49

Lol! Well, that's your opinion and you are welcome to it. cbayer Jul 2014 #53

I'm glad that it's funny to you. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #54

"it's" not funny to me. You are. cbayer Jul 2014 #55

Ok. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #56

Apology accepted. Or maybe I should say, apoplexy accepted. cbayer Jul 2014 #57

Which season is the 'drown everyone, except one lucky family' thing again? AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #58

I would suggest you stay prepared at all times. cbayer Jul 2014 #59

That doesn't bother me so much. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #61

"Apoplexy accepted." okasha Jul 2014 #75

wow, you just go right for the personal attack at every opportunity Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #74

People who have a sense of humor okasha Jul 2014 #78

no okasha, that is not what happened Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #80

Laugh every now and then. okasha Jul 2014 #84

"smile honey" nt. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #95

Been wondering that all my life rurallib Jul 2014 #4

Right, Seth was born after Abel intaglio Jul 2014 #5

They also founded a fairly interesting cable TV channel Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #47

It is assumed that Adam and Eve had daughters but they don't mention their names. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #7

... SummerSnow Jul 2014 #14

Augustine discussed that question nearly 1700 years ago. rug Jul 2014 #16

Augustine being quite the Biblical literalist here don't you think. Leontius Jul 2014 #19

There was a lot of that going on in the fourth century. rug Jul 2014 #20

More's the shame that Origen was pushed to the fringes of our Faith in that period. Leontius Jul 2014 #22

That's an excellent point. rug Jul 2014 #27

First off it's a myth, which isn't a dirty word. LoveIsNow Jul 2014 #24

Naamah was, however, a woman, so not really connectable with Noah muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #36

If you want to find workable solutions to this myth LostOne4Ever Jul 2014 #29

But...you're not supposed to ask questions like that - mr blur Jul 2014 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author demigoddess Jul 2014 #31

"Discuss religious and theological issues. All relevant topics are permitted." Arugula Latte Jul 2014 #138

Sorry, I didn't think I needed the Sarcasm smiley mr blur Jul 2014 #141

No, I got what you were saying ... Arugula Latte Jul 2014 #142

No problem! mr blur Jul 2014 #144

Perhaps their sisters TexasProgresive Jul 2014 #33

If Adam and Eve edhopper Jul 2014 #34

As many times as the versions of the Bible has been written and re-written and etc dixiegrrrrl Jul 2014 #35

That's both the benefit and problem with metaphor edhopper Jul 2014 #37

Nope. okasha Jul 2014 #38

What are you saying edhopper Jul 2014 #39

Whether eating the apple okasha Jul 2014 #40

Sure, but what is the story with the fruit all about. edhopper Jul 2014 #41

The fruit gives knowledge of good and evil. okasha Jul 2014 #42

So my original post about edhopper Jul 2014 #43

Which is one reason I'd go with pride okasha Jul 2014 #44

Hmmm edhopper Jul 2014 #45

I would suspect okasha Jul 2014 #46

So the serpent goddess edhopper Jul 2014 #62

Oh, yeah. okasha Jul 2014 #82

They proved the serpent was telling the truth and God lied to them. That pissed Him off. arcane1 Jul 2014 #85

Actually, neither God nor the serpent lied. LTX Jul 2014 #102

It's all bullshit. If you left a age-appropriately ignorant child, say 2 years old, in a room with a AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #48

Actually, I find the eden mythology to be among the most thought provoking aspects of Genesis. LTX Jul 2014 #103

Thought provoking in what manner? AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #113

Among others, the pantheistic implications of the tale, LTX Jul 2014 #116

The latter is not interesting to me. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #123

You say, LTX Jul 2014 #126

Seth got Chucked... Kalidurga Jul 2014 #51

Cain apparently found a wife among people of the sixth-day creation . . . Petrushka Jul 2014 #52

The word 'adam' meant mankind The Blue Flower Jul 2014 #60

I also had teacher in Hebrew school edhopper Jul 2014 #63

Were you raised Orthodox? n/t LTX Jul 2014 #104

Conservative edhopper Jul 2014 #105

Reform, here. LTX Jul 2014 #109

Lol edhopper Jul 2014 #110

Interesting..... dixiegrrrrl Jul 2014 #64

Life. rug Jul 2014 #66

Some have said RadicalGeek Jul 2014 #86

What??? WovenGems Jul 2014 #93

Genesis is more myth than fable Act_of_Reparation Jul 2014 #94

For a large part of Genesis, I would agree that LTX Jul 2014 #106

The main moral message in Genesis, and indeed most of the OT, seems to be: trotsky Jul 2014 #108

Is that really what you draw from chapters 2 and 3 of Genesis? n/t LTX Jul 2014 #111

Yup. trotsky Jul 2014 #114

There are serious consequences to obeying as well. LTX Jul 2014 #117

Who knows? trotsky Jul 2014 #118

Right. As with all mythologies, oral and written. LTX Jul 2014 #120

So what do we do with folks who take them seriously? trotsky Jul 2014 #122

I take it seriously. But I assume you mean those christians who profess to take it literally, LTX Jul 2014 #132

No argument from me there. trotsky Jul 2014 #135

Oops. By "them" you obviously meant the whole biblical kit and caboodle. LTX Jul 2014 #140

I would hesitate to consider them moral lessons Act_of_Reparation Jul 2014 #112

Agreed. trotsky Jul 2014 #115

You say "Adam and Eve offended God, and thus they all were made to suffer for it." LTX Jul 2014 #124

blind obediance would have kept man in the Garden eternally. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #125

The "plan" in the story, of course, was to permit (or place) the serpent. LTX Jul 2014 #127

In Christian theology okasha Jul 2014 #133

Indeed, and perhaps I've overstated the discordance between christian theology LTX Jul 2014 #136

True. okasha Jul 2014 #137

We were taught that Genesis was at least part allegory. riqster Jul 2014 #107

You pose an interesting question... JohnnyRingo Jul 2014 #119

I am tempted to ask the fundy minister across the street dixiegrrrrl Jul 2014 #121

Beware of the word "faith" the very real truth that as a whole not one of any self labeled AuntPatsy Jul 2014 #128

It's a myth.... AlbertCat Jul 2014 #143