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tama

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21. Emergence of physical complexity

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Tue Mar 13, 2012, 10:07 AM

Mar 2012

in terms of Big Bang singularity (hot hot hot!!!) follows from cooling: 3D space, 4 (or 3 if we go with the electroweak theory) basic forces, etc etc. String and M theories combine all four into one, but then the math allows complexity of about 10 to exp 500 different low energy universes. These multiverses, and all other theories, emerge and exist primarily as mental objects, as does the notion of complexity.

Multiverses of all possible worlds are funny from theological point of view in the way that they allow and predict both atheistic and all kinds of theistic universes.

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I think the concept of emergence is something religious people have a tough time understanding. [View all] Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 OP

Religious nuts bongbong Mar 2012 #1

What you obviously know about religion would fill a thimble. Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #3

In the very same post: trotsky Mar 2012 #5

bongbong Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #8

Two posts and two insults, all the while calling for just that to stop. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #11

Aw, did somebody step on somebody's right to insult people? napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #15

It's the hypocrisy I object to. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #18

But they are delusional. mr blur Mar 2012 #19

The author didn't demand respect. Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #32

Turnabout is fair play has always been a good rule. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #39

Interesting take. Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #42

My take... napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #49

Oh, I don't think you'll ever believe I'm nice. trotsky Mar 2012 #23

Ah, shucks! nt Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #28

In the very same post: napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #16

Um, do you have me confused with someone else perhaps? n/t trotsky Mar 2012 #22

Just substitute "ustedes" for "you" and it will work fine. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #36

Do all atheists look alike to you? n/t Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #33

Well, I guess I should just come out and say it: YES. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #38

...... Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #43

And how does one learn about religion... Deep13 Mar 2012 #54

Or maybe God Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #2

Then why call it god? deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #4

Pantheism is the perspective that all is God and God is all. Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #7

well I like to think that I rarely troll deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #9

Good enough, deacon. Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #12

it may not be neccesary deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #13

But that is an unnecessary concept edhopper Mar 2012 #27

without energy, it doesn'r work at all. nt Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #29

You seem to be talking about an energy edhopper Mar 2012 #30

Besides what can be measured tama Mar 2012 #44

You seem to keep writing post edhopper Mar 2012 #45

In a participatory universe tama Mar 2012 #46

Thanks edhopper Mar 2012 #47

Hmm tama Mar 2012 #48

The difference I put forth are edhopper Mar 2012 #50

Ah, tama Mar 2012 #51

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Entertaining idea tama Mar 2012 #53

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A few things Boojatta Mar 2012 #10

Great post. Who can define "intelligence". napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #17

Constants tama Mar 2012 #20

Thinking, consciousness, are an emergent property of complex brains... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #25

Self-referentiality tama Mar 2012 #40

What if God is the emergent outcome of civilization? napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #14

That is "The Last Question" by Isaac Asimov. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #24

Oh wow, thanks. I knew is was a scifi story by somebody, but now I know. nt napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #37

Emergence of physical complexity tama Mar 2012 #21

First, String and M "theories" are actually hypothesis... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #26

You may have a point tama Mar 2012 #34

Where ... Boojatta Mar 2012 #31

The problem is in defining gods, in a classical sense... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #35

Boojatta tama Mar 2012 #41

But where did the rules come from? mmonk Mar 2012 #55

We don't know. Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #56

Which means ultimately we cannot describe the unknowable. mmonk Mar 2012 #57

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