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MellowDem

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123. The only reason "atheism" is a word is because of the massive power and privilege of religion...

Tue Jul 15, 2014, 12:53 AM

Jul 2014

Power and privilege that many people deny exists, many in DU included. A few "concerned" atheists I've noticed, in the style of S.E. Cupp, always trying to define atheism in a way conservative fundamentalists do, always coming to the defense of religious power and privilege, and never acknowledging it's existence, always quick to blame victims of religion, always fast to reinforce the worst stereotypes given to atheists as true.

What makes atheists a group at all is the power and privilege of theists in society. The fact that you don't understand that isn't surprising.

Most atheists may be anti-theist.

Atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive.

Anyone who claims that a new group should be formed for people that disagree with them, and then tries to even name that group, is arrogant and full of privilege.

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I see posts defining atheists as a group. Is the concept of atheists as a group valid? [View all] Starboard Tack Jul 2014 OP

No, in my opinion. elleng Jul 2014 #1

I don't feel the need for a group either. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Jul 2014 #2

Sorry I meant to post that threzd in the ny room. Oops. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #3

I like the A&A group the way it is. bravenak Jul 2014 #4

"The A&A group on DU is obviously not for all atheists, or agnostics, yet it is set up as a "safe"" AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #5

I take exception to your use of the word "disruptor" in this context Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #140

There are people that aren't even atheists or agnostics in that forum. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #141

your point is that you wish to stir shit up, and you are still pissed at being banned Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #6

Why is it not appropriate in this forum? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #9

By that measure, atheism has nothing at all to do with religion. rug Jul 2014 #49

Sounds like edhopper Jul 2014 #7

Well, it is a Group, by DU definition Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #11

I doubt the posters there see it that way edhopper Jul 2014 #13

How about we determine who hosts our group kdmorris Jul 2014 #96

I agree. Keep your own antitheist hosts Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #129

You (we) can't change the name of a group once formed kdmorris Jul 2014 #130

If that's what you think then why do you have a problem renaming your group appropriately Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #142

I'll repeat kdmorris Jul 2014 #146

Sorry, I wasn't aware that the admins won't change the name of a group. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #150

LOL you are a barrel of laughs kdmorris Jul 2014 #154

Bwahahahahahahahahaha! cleanhippie Jul 2014 #157

I don't participate in any of the religion groups very often. Kali Jul 2014 #158

Meta ia allowed and often posted in this Group. rug Jul 2014 #159

Well Kali, I can see how that may appear to you, as someone who doesn't participate here Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #161

You want a group, " mocking people for their faith, or attacking fellow DUers for their beliefs or genwah Jul 2014 #8

Did you mean for your YouTube link to look like this, perhaps? A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #87

Yes, thank you. I don't know why that didn't work. I'm still trying to post pics here, genwah Jul 2014 #105

Easiest way for YouTube links; A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #107

Thank you. Not to impose further, but if I may ask, how do pictures get posted? genwah Jul 2014 #108

Easy! A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #109

Oh No I Want More...Link please? nt abakan Jul 2014 #111

..... A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #112

Oh No... abakan Jul 2014 #117

Groups can be identified all sorts of ways. Igel Jul 2014 #10

I would support a second AA group. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #12

You mean one where any one edhopper Jul 2014 #14

I think the OP means a place were he and other Athiests will feel comfortable. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #17

no the op means a place where he isn't banned. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #25

My support of a group is not going to make or break a group. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #27

your rallying behind this nonsense belies your cries for "can't we all just get along". Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #31

Warren when did I ever say I wasn't a partisan? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #38

Seriously? No recollection? No whining about the horrid behavior of those awful atheists? Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #40

I don't get your logic. if you see me going after athiest based on tone, would that not say I am not hrmjustin Jul 2014 #46

No he doesn't. Try reading words instead of imagining them. rug Jul 2014 #50

There isn't one. Only a safe haven "group" Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #18

And why doesn't this forum edhopper Jul 2014 #21

This group is about religion Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #143

"Which excludes anyone who questions its tolerance of believers." AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #35

I would support a second interfaith group, one for the majority of believers Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #16

The fact is you can support the creation of groups that you don't post in. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #20

Is it possible..... A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #113

Well several AA room members post in there. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #114

Here's a way to see who the dominant poster of OP's is in any group or forum; A HERETIC I AM Jul 2014 #115

Thats nothing, try this room. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #116

DAMNIT AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #34

Would you suggest creating a new 'interfaith' group if I come into the Interfaith room, take a huge AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #33

First off you would not do that. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #45

If you got banned from Interfaith okasha Jul 2014 #63

I might comment in AA if it was a BS ban. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #119

Just letting you know what the established protocol is. okasha Jul 2014 #120

I see. It sounded like an accusation. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #121

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #19

apparantly they don't communicate, so apologize right now! Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #22

Why don't you just explain why Team Bayer� is anything but a personal attack? rug Jul 2014 #55

Have to disagree with you, rug okasha Jul 2014 #68

That's even worse, attacking imaginary things. rug Jul 2014 #71

No windmill is safe. okasha Jul 2014 #72

I hate to tread into this, but I am with rug on this. Personal attack. nt longship Jul 2014 #95

LOL! +1 cleanhippie Jul 2014 #62

Militants libodem Jul 2014 #23

If the concept of atheist as a Group isn't valid. edhopper Jul 2014 #24

a better question is why this post is allowed in the religion group. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #26

Because edhopper Jul 2014 #28

That is not always true. I get alerts in the mail from people all the time showing me failed alerts. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #30

And that proves what? AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #36

It proves they do alert. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #44

It proves SOMEONE alerted. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #48

Whatever. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #51

fascinating. Please do provide these jury results. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #37

I delete them. I don't keep stuff because being on mirt I get 10 to 30 pms a day. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #41

how convenient. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #43

Sorry but I delete them. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #47

and of course belief without evidence is fine with you Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #66

I just got this. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #139

Is there something inherent in atheism that makes atheists not as quick to alert? rug Jul 2014 #59

Individual posters edhopper Jul 2014 #76

How the heck do you know that? Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #151

It would be a good place for people who don't believe in assholery. rug Jul 2014 #54

So you would stay away from that group edhopper Jul 2014 #74

For other reasons. I would not be interested in discussing with others why I don't collect stamps. rug Jul 2014 #75

As well as edhopper Jul 2014 #77

No, the SoP would be nonbelief in assholery. rug Jul 2014 #78

Evidence edhopper Jul 2014 #82

Sometimes rug Jul 2014 #88

More imaginary friends for you I guess edhopper Jul 2014 #91

I have yet to see an inanimate object act like an asshole. rug Jul 2014 #93

I said you ascribe assholery edhopper Jul 2014 #94

You said: rug Jul 2014 #97

I don't think it was veiled at all edhopper Jul 2014 #99

Maybe if you were treated like shit for not collecting stamps... MellowDem Jul 2014 #127

Have you been treated like shit? rug Jul 2014 #149

I don't know...It's like saying.."Why go to church" if you are an Atheist!! Tikki Jul 2014 #29

I actually lean towards anti-theism Trajan Jul 2014 #32

you are welcome in the A&A group. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #42

and the religion group as well. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #67

Yup, I am the same way, though F4lconF16 Jul 2014 #85

Oh NOW I get it Heddi Jul 2014 #39

Like an Apathetic Atheist Group. progressoid Jul 2014 #52

They can call it the Eh-theist group. The Meh-theist group Heddi Jul 2014 #53

Meh-theist! progressoid Jul 2014 #57

Meh-theist. When you just don't believe that you give a damn Heddi Jul 2014 #58

would their leader be a mehtheist-head? Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #65

And would anyone show up for the meetings? progressoid Jul 2014 #101

Which makes you wonder why they would want a group if they're so apathetic about it? MellowDem Jul 2014 #124

Only those who actually go out of their way to join 'atheist' groups. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #56

"Highly vocal minority of atheists"? Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2014 #60

"Those of us who have no interest in mocking people for their faith, or attacking fellow DUers ... muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #61

Radicals on DU? You kid... BootinUp Jul 2014 #64

Well, isn't this special. Warpy Jul 2014 #69

you're about to get slapped with the extra special outraged "BUT IM AN ATHEIST" card. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #80

What is yours? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #81

honesty, even when it has unfortunate consequences. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #83

That is rich coming from you Warren. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #84

are you saying I'm dishonest Justin? Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #86

I am saying judge your friends before you judge mine. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #89

Aww, your little "I'm an atheist, BUT" schtick just didn't cut it in A&A, huh? Arugula Latte Jul 2014 #70

If you're not interested in mocking EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2014 #73

"You make DU suck." cleanhippie Jul 2014 #92

Don't tell Bill Maher or my wife that . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2014 #79

So you are saying that atheists and agnostics do not share intaglio Jul 2014 #90

This would be the opportune time for those concerned with cooperation to step in and say something. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2014 #98

one has - and has proudly stepped up to support this shit stirring bullshit. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #102

He has the right to propose it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #104

Your defense of his proposition is that it wasn't illegal to have posed it? Act_of_Reparation Jul 2014 #132

It has been tried here before. longship Jul 2014 #110

Oh, just stop your tiresome disingenuous twaddle. mr blur Jul 2014 #131

I rest my case. nt longship Jul 2014 #133

If only... nt mr blur Jul 2014 #155

I was born once, but not yesterday. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2014 #136

Thank you. Some want peace here. Some don't. nt longship Jul 2014 #137

Not enough to set the example, it would seem. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2014 #138

You appear to obtusely not get it. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #145

Huh? longship Jul 2014 #147

. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #148

Am I a host of this forum? Am I slinging meta shit about this mess in the hosts forum? Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #152

Actually, you're slinging shit right here and right now. rug Jul 2014 #156

Can't you see those are reactions to the hosts' inactivity about this thread? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #162

Disband Alcoholics Anonymous...ALL they believe in is not ingesting alcohol (nt) ret5hd Jul 2014 #100

some of them are very angry too. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #103

Haven't been in AA in a bit... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #106

Yes he did. Promethean Jul 2014 #122

They are a group in the same way red heads are a group or football fans are a group Marrah_G Jul 2014 #118

Then they are not a group, they just have something in common Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #144

"Something in common"... Act_of_Reparation Jul 2014 #153

The only reason "atheism" is a word is because of the massive power and privilege of religion... MellowDem Jul 2014 #123

New group: Atheist-Theist Alliance Group MellowDem Jul 2014 #125

New Group: Theist's Rights Movement MellowDem Jul 2014 #126

Is the concept of religion, as a group/concept valid? enki23 Jul 2014 #128

Hard to say these days. TM99 Jul 2014 #134

A group is simply a collection of things or people classed together. gcomeau Jul 2014 #135

No. old guy Jul 2014 #160