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EvilAL

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104. That is a nice thing to do,

Tue Jul 15, 2014, 09:46 PM

Jul 2014

but what would you say? How would you act towards a group of believers that always have doubts and skepticism about their belief(s). That would have tens of thousands of sub groups of the belief(s), other than, "maybe they don't really believe"?

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What I learned in the Religion group today. [View all] Goblinmonger Jul 2014 OP

How long ago was libodem Jul 2014 #1

1977 Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #2

I was thinking I had read it before libodem Jul 2014 #3

I just thought about it a little more libodem Jul 2014 #4

Aren't a large number of those 3.814 believers in many gods? No Vested Interest Jul 2014 #5

Oops! Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #6

Take it up with your wife Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #8

I don't get involved in these discussions with my wife. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #9

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #11

When was your family attacked? Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #12

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #18

"You and your family are the last people . . . " rug Jul 2014 #34

"Definitions of atheist and agnostic don't really interest me" Yet you responded to NoVestedInterest AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #44

Not really. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #58

That is perfectly within the specification of 'atheist'. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #61

I understand that Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #70

The 3.8 billion represents those who believe in the god of Abraham Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #7

We have a winner! AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #43

What I learned in the Religion Group yesterday okasha Jul 2014 #10

Yup! I doubt he would've last 5 minutes in A&A Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #13

Something you may have missed is the fact that the man who coined the word agnostic Leontius Jul 2014 #14

Another one of those sciency dudes. okasha Jul 2014 #15

So who has been blocked from AA for that? Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #16

Why do you keep people who are ppred on you banned list? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #17

It seems that some of the biggest assholes on DU skepticscott Jul 2014 #19

Markcharles was an atheist and regularly signs up to troll du and the religion room. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #20

It seems that some of the biggest assholes on DU rug Jul 2014 #36

The skulls over the gate are part of the decor. okasha Jul 2014 #21

Are you going to answer Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #23

Calm down. okasha Jul 2014 #26

tone trolling. When done to women it is one of the many symptoms of misogyny. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #74

Are you actually insinuating this woman is a misogynist? rug Jul 2014 #82

His good buddy trotsky okasha Jul 2014 #83

if we alert trolled they way the god squad does your post would be hidden. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #73

I'm sure you tried. okasha Jul 2014 #84

Sorry but both sides alert. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #87

I think I can speak for the other hosts Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #22

Oh ok. seems odd though. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #24

It is not odd at all. Mariana Jul 2014 #69

You mean keeping it up as a reminder? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #79

yes but hrmjustin is very concerned. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #75

Concerned no but curious. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #91

Who's been blocked for not being an atheist? okasha Jul 2014 #25

Read the list yourself skepticscott Jul 2014 #29

3, 4, 6, 8, 12. rug Jul 2014 #35

So Carl Sagan was famous and he had a PhD, so he couldn't possibly be wrong? skepticscott Jul 2014 #30

I have an honest question. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #31

Sorry, that's not an honest question. It was answered many times in that thread, and you know that. skepticscott Jul 2014 #32

I didn't read the thread because it did not interest me. I was just wondering. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #33

Because it is insulting Act_of_Reparation Jul 2014 #41

Thank you very much for explaining it to me. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #42

Did you read the thread? AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #45

Not to me. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #46

The OP starts out by quoting Carl Sagan making an error. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #48

But he did say these things? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #49

The quotes in the op? Yes. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #50

But if he said it then it is fair game here. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #51

Ah, but then the pearl-clutching when we point out the error, and correctly identify him as an ath AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #52

This all seems like it can be debated in a reasonable manner. You seem much more knowledgeable on hrmjustin Jul 2014 #53

It was debated. Extensively. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #54

Do you object to it being posted? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #55

I object to the material in the post, by the author of the material as disingenious and dishonest. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #56

Ok so you disagree with Sagan on the issue and you disagreed with those who agreed with him. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #57

For starters, yes. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #59

Thank you for explaining your thoughts. I was trying to get a feel for why that post went downhill. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #60

There is a common gambit used by some believers to frame atheism as a belief system. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #62

I don't believe there is a burden on anyone unless you are trying to convert someone. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #63

There is an issue of credibility. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #64

Well legal issues are a different storry and proof is important. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #65

This is a political board. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #66

Good points. I will catch tomorrow my friend. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #67

Good night. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #68

So Carl Sagan was famous and he had a PhD, so he couldn't possibly be wrong? AlbertCat Jul 2014 #92

What's a "degress"? mr blur Jul 2014 #77

It's a piece of paper you get okasha Jul 2014 #85

Sagan's definition of an atheist is quite incorrect. djean111 Jul 2014 #27

One of the two groups you identified has no burden of showing compelling evidence. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #47

I know. The need to deposit that burden mystifies me. djean111 Jul 2014 #72

Oh my goodness, I completely misread your post. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #80

No, not stupid, your reply makes sense bearing in mind it was not clear I was quoting. djean111 Jul 2014 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author gcomeau Jul 2014 #96

You know what I learned in Religion today? EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2014 #28

That's about all you get out of - or contribute to - the Religion Group. rug Jul 2014 #37

yes it is quite ok to personally attack atheists. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #81

No we are not. Nice try at broad brushing us Warren. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #88

Care to provide a link to where I called a member an asshole? Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #89

Link EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2014 #93

I can't find that thread, do you have a link? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #90

Link EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2014 #94

Thank you. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #95

Could you clarify okasha Jul 2014 #97

What I've observed is that most people don't truely believe. Rod Beauvex Jul 2014 #38

Got data? okasha Jul 2014 #39

Do you mean that believers have doubts but don't want to say it? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #40

"We do have our doubts and healthy skepticism" EvilAL Jul 2014 #98

No, it is natural for believers to have doubts at times. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #99

Ok, So EvilAL Jul 2014 #100

if someone has doubts I would ask why and listen. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #102

That is a nice thing to do, EvilAL Jul 2014 #104

I would not judge them. they would have to follow their heart. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #106

I don't know if I would call it judging EvilAL Jul 2014 #108

It is insulting to believers as a whole to say most of them don't really believe. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #109

Really have no way of knowing if someone does or doesn't believe anyway. EvilAL Jul 2014 #110

I have no dou t some are going through the motions but I don't think it is a majority. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #111

It probably isn't the majority EvilAL Jul 2014 #112

it implies we are lying. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #113

Only if you take it that way. EvilAL Jul 2014 #114

Having doubts" okasha Jul 2014 #101

No, I don't understand, please give me more examples. EvilAL Jul 2014 #103

So you have doubts about your reading comprehension? okasha Jul 2014 #105

Nah, I'm pretty good with it, EvilAL Jul 2014 #107

Well, this group has many people of many opinions. longship Jul 2014 #71

Digression: Both Bach and Mozart were fervent believers, actually Act_of_Reparation Jul 2014 #76

You are probably right about that. longship Jul 2014 #78