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52. I think AtheistCrusader raises an important question

Wed Jul 16, 2014, 04:12 PM

Jul 2014

Is "How could the universe arise from absolute non-existence" a pertinent question if quantum physicists aren't really making that argument, per se? Is "absolute non-existence" an achievable state?

Lacking expertise, the only honest answer I can give is "I don't know".

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Louie Gohmert Proves God's Existence With One Simple Equation [View all] cbayer Jul 2014 OP

Well that was 54 seconds well spent. Kalidurga Jul 2014 #1

I thought it was pretty funny, particularly watching him say it out loud. cbayer Jul 2014 #2

Yeah what he said was funny Kalidurga Jul 2014 #3

He is an embarrassment Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2014 #11

That's why it needs to be made clear that there are big differences. cbayer Jul 2014 #13

yeah he's a moron edhopper Jul 2014 #16

The face of religion in America today. SecularMotion Jul 2014 #4

He is definitely the face of one kind of religion and it is the religion cbayer Jul 2014 #5

But not by 70% edhopper Jul 2014 #18

Have you ever been to Pittsburg, TX? cbayer Jul 2014 #19

Exactly edhopper Jul 2014 #20

I made no such claim, just that they were a distinct group and that they were cbayer Jul 2014 #21

Misread you then edhopper Jul 2014 #22

Numbers about people leaving the fundamentalist churches? cbayer Jul 2014 #23

hmmm edhopper Jul 2014 #24

Unless you look at the numbers that also say that Southern Baptists are the fastest growing VanillaRhapsody Jul 2014 #26

Actually, last numbers I saw showed that Mormons were the fastest growing cbayer Jul 2014 #29

Here is one article VanillaRhapsody Jul 2014 #30

Ah, that's about individual churches. cbayer Jul 2014 #33

I just want to ask him where he thinks god came from eShirl Jul 2014 #6

Logic is not the word I would choose to describe anything about his argument! cbayer Jul 2014 #7

His argument might have more credence if ......... Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #8

Genesis doesn't track the formation of the solar system at all edhopper Jul 2014 #17

I think Apollo created earth angstlessk Jul 2014 #9

It is, I think, unwise to sneer. rogerashton Jul 2014 #10

I think you make a valid point, but his "reasoning" is not really comparable to cbayer Jul 2014 #14

fair enough, rogerashton Jul 2014 #25

wonder what the hell his degree IS and where he got it from.... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2014 #27

Cosmology is the field that is answering that question. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #31

If the universe could really come from nothing, Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #32

I didn't say 'from' nothing. It IS nothing. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #34

Then who is currently having the experience of something? Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #35

I said nothing about a brain in a vat. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #36

Except that it's not, Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #37

"reality doesn't exist at all, according to what you just said" AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #38

You said that the universe is nothing. Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #39

Absolutely not. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #40

So when you said "nothing", Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #41

I meant it as I said it. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #42

Is the quantum vacuum out of which virtual particles come Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #43

Said vacuum is still nothingness as we know it. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #44

But "nothingness as we know it" is irrelevant Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #45

That's an interesting assertion. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #46

Do you want to keep going with the discussion? Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #47

There would have to be multiple assumptions made. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #48

There couldn't, and here's why. Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #49

The confusion arises from a discrepancy in nomenclature Act_of_Reparation Jul 2014 #50

Indeed. Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #51

I think AtheistCrusader raises an important question Act_of_Reparation Jul 2014 #52

My understanding is that the question came first, and Krauss Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #53

Actually, Krauss explains this. "Turns out, nothing isn't nothing anymore". AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #54

Do you want to continue where we left off in reply #49? Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #55

You introduced that term, not me. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #56

Huh? Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #59

Yes. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #60

I like where you're going with this. Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #62

Without invoking an appeal to authority AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #63

Your version of "nothing" is still something compared Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #64

Is a law of physics 'something'? AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #65

We agree on no mass, time, space, or rules. Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #66

Not really. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #67

So for you, absolute non-existence seems to have the following properties: Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #68

God is an anthropomorphic creative intelligence. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #69

The intelligent agent aspects of God derive Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #70

Except AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #71

Apologies for the long pause in the conversation. Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #72

Individually. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #73

Do the physical laws automatically cause the existence of the universe? Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #74

Hawking thinks so, yes. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #75

Answers: Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #76

I don't think this will get us anywhere... Act_of_Reparation Jul 2014 #58

That could be because Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #61

You ignore chance, extent and time intaglio Jul 2014 #78

Answer: Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #79

But you again forget (or ignore) infinity intaglio Jul 2014 #80

Since the creator we are discussing isn't made of matter, Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #81

Sorry, but even energy requires dimension and duration intaglio Jul 2014 #82

That's not correct Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #83

Potential energy requires dimension and duration intaglio Jul 2014 #86

Equation: Politician+no brains=worthless POS Uben Jul 2014 #12

He seems like such a Ghomer libodem Jul 2014 #15

The Gohmert Particle Blue Owl Jul 2014 #28

Ghomert's existence proves a divine being. Half-Century Man Jul 2014 #57

True faith does not require explanation(s)... the_sly_pig Jul 2014 #77

I thought faith means abandoning edhopper Jul 2014 #84

Good question sir. the_sly_pig Jul 2014 #85

I get what you mean in that context. edhopper Jul 2014 #87