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AtheistCrusader

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70. No, you're not getting away that easily.

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 04:03 PM

Jul 2014

"The RCC funeral acknowledges he was a sinner as are we all."

That has a very specific connotation, and it does NOT apply to me.

"In Abrahamic contexts, sin is the act of violating God's will.[1][2][3][4] Sin can also be viewed as anything that violates the ideal relationship between an individual and God; or as any diversion from the ideal order for human living. To sin has been defined as "to miss the mark".[5]"

I am not, nor shall I ever be, a sinner. Unless your god wants to pop out and introduce himself or something.
I cannot violate a will that does not exist. I cannot violate a relationship that does not exist.

You don't get to pretend I have that relationship. You don't get to pretend I am subject to that will.

I, and many like me, are not 'sinners', and cannot be 'sinners'.

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Priest convicted of murdering nun dies; diocese plans funeral Mass [View all] SecularMotion Jul 2014 OP

An excerpt for his funeral homily by Fr. Thomas Extejt TexasProgresive Jul 2014 #1

WOW AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #5

That is a good and fitting homliy. rug Jul 2014 #9

Disagree. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #51

Murder someone? Well, okay. You get a funeral mass. trotsky Jul 2014 #2

Could be worse Act_of_Reparation Jul 2014 #3

Debunked. rug Jul 2014 #11

Rules is rules edhopper Jul 2014 #4

The same one who posts other equally ignorant information. rug Jul 2014 #21

Grieving grandfather had to worry about a mass because murdered baby wasn't baptized... beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #6

Everything. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #7

Indeed. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #8

What's wrong with this picture is that you think that's the salient point of this story. rug Jul 2014 #40

"Questioning other posters and their motives is tiresome meta." beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #41

So does dishonesty. rug Jul 2014 #42

Uh huh... beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #43

No need. What I see is entirely superficial. rug Jul 2014 #44

No really, keep going, I find myself in need of entertainment tonight. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #45

That doesn't surprise me in the least. rug Jul 2014 #46

Would you prefer his head on a pike? rug Jul 2014 #10

It's not about his punishment edhopper Jul 2014 #12

No one is honored in death. rug Jul 2014 #13

As was your edhopper Jul 2014 #14

Not based on the reactions in this thread. rug Jul 2014 #15

Really edhopper Jul 2014 #18

A post about pretzels would evoke the same reaction from them about the RCC. rug Jul 2014 #20

Perhaps edhopper Jul 2014 #23

Promoting accuracy is not defending. rug Jul 2014 #24

that's a complete edhopper Jul 2014 #27

And that's a complete non sequitur (sic) to my initial statement. rug Jul 2014 #29

Secular posted the OP without comment edhopper Jul 2014 #32

This is pure meta. rug Jul 2014 #36

speak for yourself buddy. I am NOT a sinner. CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #34

The hell you ain't. rug Jul 2014 #35

No, we don't. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #53

Speak for yourself. rug Jul 2014 #68

No, you're not getting away that easily. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #70

That presupposes you're anywhere near me. rug Jul 2014 #71

Deflect and spin away. I would too, if I were in your position. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #73

I doubt you could be in my position to make that determination. rug Jul 2014 #75

Let me know when you feel like actually adressing post 70 AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #78

Sorry, your headline was designed to ignore what followed. rug Jul 2014 #80

Murder harms someone. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #83

If you make a list, you'd be surprised how much those lists mesh. rug Jul 2014 #85

I've already done the comparison. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #87

Your arrogance is astounding. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #52

Your sensitivity is equally astounding. rug Jul 2014 #69

I don't need to be 'sensitive' to your mischaracterization of my nature. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #72

No shit. rug Jul 2014 #74

No, they don't. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #76

Read it again. I said activities, not relationship. rug Jul 2014 #77

Yeah, I do things that your religion's source documentation specifies is a sin against your god. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #79

Without prying, lots of sources, secular or religious, mainly denounce the same things. rug Jul 2014 #81

I have authorized the destruction of fertilized embryos. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #82

Well, good for you. rug Jul 2014 #84

That it isn't a sin? Yes indeed. How pleasantly I characterize it has no bearing. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #86

And the jury results are in... aikoaiko Jul 2014 #37

Thanks for the update. rug Jul 2014 #39

I feel like I am really missing the point here. cbayer Jul 2014 #16

Petty and unreasonable? edhopper Jul 2014 #19

Did you read your first link? rug Jul 2014 #22

Yes I did edhopper Jul 2014 #25

So, are you now attacking the individual pastor who refused or the Church that rescinded it? rug Jul 2014 #26

No I am saying edhopper Jul 2014 #28

Questioning anything is fine. rug Jul 2014 #30

I wasn't questioning her motives, i was responding to her post. edhopper Jul 2014 #33

I have personally attended funeral masses for LGBT persons. okasha Jul 2014 #47

Denying mass for a gay man is clearly way beyond petty and unreasonable. cbayer Jul 2014 #48

Yes edhopper Jul 2014 #49

Impunity? I don't think that means what you think it means. cbayer Jul 2014 #50

impugning edhopper Jul 2014 #58

Remember whatever you like, but if you wish to be correct, remember that this cbayer Jul 2014 #61

You might not agree with that edhopper Jul 2014 #62

Again, I did not say that asking these question was petty and unreasonable. cbayer Jul 2014 #63

Why did you write this then? edhopper Jul 2014 #64

OMG, do you think you could twist this around any further? cbayer Jul 2014 #65

Capiche edhopper Jul 2014 #66

Thanks. I appreciate that. cbayer Jul 2014 #92

Has anyone said he should be denied a funeral? Act_of_Reparation Jul 2014 #55

As I said, I don't think the article posted really made the point you are making, cbayer Jul 2014 #57

Perhaps not Act_of_Reparation Jul 2014 #59

I agree with you. There were articles available that really made those points. cbayer Jul 2014 #60

It is an act of mercy to give this deceased man a funeral mass. No Vested Interest Jul 2014 #17

Mercy? Please do explain skepticscott Jul 2014 #38

No, 'we' aren't. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #54

What detestable bullshit! mr blur Jul 2014 #67

They don't kick you out for mere mortal crimes like murder and pedophilia Lordquinton Jul 2014 #90

Christians are supposed to forgive. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #31

Part of the moral conundrum such faith presents, honestly. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #56

I think that might have been a little, um, too deep Heddi Jul 2014 #88

I must admit ignorance edhopper Jul 2014 #89

Dostoyevsky. From The Brother's Karamazov. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #91