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pinto

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34. I confess. I'm ashamed and beg your forgiveness.

Wed Jul 23, 2014, 12:59 AM

Jul 2014

That was sarcastic, obviously. But to the point -

I was raised in the culture. For the billion or so Catholics in the world, many take the dogma with a grain of salt. Or a billion grains of salt.

Equality in respect to sexual orientation is progressing nationwide. That's just a fact. As is the ongoing support for gender equality. It's not so in many other parts of the world, blatantly and at times deadly. That's the bigger issue, imo. Across any religious affiliations.

We can lead by example - the world watches us in this interconnected web of communication. They're not blind to the bigger picture. Not sure what else we can do other than what we can do here at home.

Is the Pope a bigot? I've no clue. The bureaucracy is clearly hide bound in outdated dogma. Centuries of it. Change there will not be breaking news, yet I think it will happen.

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Is the self-styled leader of the Catholic Church a bigot or not? [View all] skepticscott Jul 2014 OP

Absolutely and demonstrably. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #1

My vote is skepticscott Jul 2014 #2

i do not know. roguevalley Jul 2014 #3

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #4

thank you jury. roguevalley Jul 2014 #33

You were lucky - a ridiculous hide. There again, not unusual in this Group. mr blur Jul 2014 #39

Lucky? You think hiding a chronically disruptive poster's post is luck? rug Jul 2014 #42

Oh, that New Atheist thread got under your skin, didn't it. rug Jul 2014 #5

For myself, not under the skin, that is so dramatic - just a bit of fun. djean111 Jul 2014 #7

Yes, that's the first word that comes to mind when I read the OP. rug Jul 2014 #18

lol! hrmjustin Jul 2014 #9

Plain word subsitution role-reversal getting under yours? AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #37

If that sentence made any sense I could give you an answer. rug Jul 2014 #44

Sorry, making you understand plain english is not one of my super powers. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #45

Apparently, neither is basic grammar. rug Jul 2014 #47

Add a comma after 'idea', if that helps you. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #48

It doesn't. It needs much more than punctuation, British or otherwise. rug Jul 2014 #49

The OP is a word-substitution paraphrase of another thread that you identified. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #51

Oh, a copycat. rug Jul 2014 #52

Which one? AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #53

Which reply of his? rug Jul 2014 #54

I specified twice that you correctly identified the OP template. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #55

This one by far. rug Jul 2014 #56

Then why bring up something I explicitly ackowledged was correct, as if I didn't know? AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #57

Don't play games with me. AlbertCat Jul 2014 #60

Based on that post, you're not qualified to discuss language comprehension. rug Jul 2014 #62

Yargle Bargle AlbertCat Jul 2014 #64

Quod erat demonstrandum rug Jul 2014 #65

Quod erat demonstrandum AlbertCat Jul 2014 #68

Yeah, AC, he doesn't play games! cleanhippie Jul 2014 #71

I leave the rolling around on the floor to you. rug Jul 2014 #72

Yes. A bigot. With verse and scripture to justify it. djean111 Jul 2014 #6

I'll put the total down as 3-0 skepticscott Jul 2014 #8

I don't see him changing church doctrine in his lifetime which is a disappointment. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #10

So you agree that he's a bigot skepticscott Jul 2014 #11

Unlike the moral courage you exhibit by posting anonymous flamebait on the internet. rug Jul 2014 #14

I don't think he is personally but I think the church is wrong on the issue. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #15

He holds bigoted stances on gays and Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #12

So you don't dare skepticscott Jul 2014 #13

I didn't call Dawkins and Co. "bigots" either. Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #16

And do you think that people who do skepticscott Jul 2014 #17

I don't think it's productive. Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #19

So you think that all of the people skepticscott Jul 2014 #20

I clearly condemned Pope Francis's bigoted ideas. Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #31

More name calling? skepticscott Jul 2014 #24

Who are these people, and how do you know Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #29

Chill. Don't bully people. 840high Jul 2014 #21

Bully? Seriously? skepticscott Jul 2014 #23

He couldn't have been more exact if he measured your inseam. rug Jul 2014 #25

I wonder if you've even seen real blowback AlbertCat Jul 2014 #61

That's likely because they don't trust your hands. rug Jul 2014 #63

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #66

You really should edit your post. rug Jul 2014 #67

Peace. 840high Jul 2014 #27

"Self-styled?" n/t TygrBright Jul 2014 #22

And we all thought Marcel Lefevbre was dead. okasha Jul 2014 #26

And now you recced your own OP? rug Jul 2014 #28

So he did. okasha Jul 2014 #32

Ah, the famous comedy double act. Right on time. mr blur Jul 2014 #40

His bigotry is large enough for half the human race Warpy Jul 2014 #30

I confess. I'm ashamed and beg your forgiveness. pinto Jul 2014 #34

It was the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 okasha Jul 2014 #35

Agree. I think he has a take on the general laity. How it plays out? We'll see. pinto Jul 2014 #36

I'm going to wait for the outcome of the bishops' conference okasha Jul 2014 #59

Before he became pope, this self-important mammal declared the SSM movement in AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #38

Worth noting is that his most tolerant statement to date on homosexuality... trotsky Jul 2014 #50

That isn't bigoted?? AlbertCat Jul 2014 #69

It's well-established that he is. trotsky Jul 2014 #41

Which is precisely why he's wrong on this issue. rug Jul 2014 #43

Francis is not "self-styled", he was chosen/elected. And yes, he is a bigot. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #46

Yes Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #58

You're goddam right he is. Iggo Jul 2014 #70

This thread is a perfect example of why people who actually might want to discuss religion Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2014 #73

Does that explain why you're here? n/t trotsky Jul 2014 #74

It more explains why you're here. rug Jul 2014 #75

This thread was in direct response to, and a parody of a shit stirring flamebait OP similarly titled Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #76

Right. You were simply being funny Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2014 #82

Can you demonstrate how the Pope isn't a homophobe? n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2014 #84

You know he isn't, you just want to smear him because he is the Pope. Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2014 #85

That homophobic bigot called same sex families an attack on God, same sex marriage... Humanist_Activist Jul 2014 #87

Given that your mind is made up on this subject, and even you admit that it is not worth debating Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2014 #89

Ah the "intolerant of intolerance" canard. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #90

No, the "dislike of atheistic bigotry" non-canard. Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2014 #91

Of course my mind is made up about this, how can it not be? Is there any defense of the Church's... Humanist_Activist Jul 2014 #92

Well the pope is absolutely and undeniably and officially a bigot. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #86

Supposedly we are supposed to debate the merits of Catholic teaching on homosexuality. Humanist_Activist Jul 2014 #88

I don't like to post ops here anymore. I do occasionally but interfaithwill get my ops. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #77

Hell yeah he is! MellowDem Jul 2014 #78

Your opinion has no reasoning to back it up... rug Jul 2014 #79

It's common knowledge that the Pope... MellowDem Jul 2014 #80

No, it's not common knowledge at all. It is a common opinion in some self-selected groups. rug Jul 2014 #81

I'm sorry, are the Popes words up for interpretation now? Humanist_Activist Jul 2014 #83

Most of us voted for a bigot to be president in 2008, Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #93