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In reply to the discussion: When religious people do bad things in the name of religion... [View all]Htom Sirveaux
(1,242 posts)19. Upon reading the full article...
She agrees that non-religious things can be non-verifiable:
Let me make a comparison to show my point. Let's compare religious belief with political ideology. After all, religion isn't the only belief that's armored against criticism, questioning, and self- correction. Religion isn't the only belief that leads people to ignore evidence in favor of their settled opinion. And contrary to the popular atheist saying, religion is not the only belief that inspires good people to do evil things. Political ideology can do all that quite nicely. People have committed horrors to perpetuate Communism: an ideology many of those people sincerely believed was best. And horrors were committed by Americans in the last Bush administration... in the name of democracy and freedom.
So why is religion so unique? Because it, among all other non-veriable things, does not yield to experience:
So with religion, even if God's rules and promises aren't working out, followers still follow them... because the ultimate judge and judgment are invisible. There is no pudding, no proof -- and no expectation that there should be any. And there is therefore no reality check, no self-correction, when religion starts to go to the bad place.
So if everything she's saying is true, we should expect religious opinions to be unchangable, invulnerable to experience. Except that they aren't. People change religious opinions all the time, especially in response to experience. That's what gay people coming out, for example, was all about. That once religious people really knew gay people, they would rethink what God's response to them would be. And it has worked and is working. Even among "born agains":
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So Greta Christina is empirically wrong about this one. Unless, once again, one begs the question by pre-defining the essence of religion as "having no reality check".
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The article is not about whether or not you give a shit about religious beliefs or not.
rug
Jul 2014
#4
You just equated a process that is used to detemine the nature of reality to a made up bit
AtheistCrusader
Jul 2014
#33
Sounds like the Dianetics book someone sent me when I graduated high school.
AtheistCrusader
Jul 2014
#43
Fine I still don't give a shit what you think of me yourself or any other thing.
upaloopa
Jul 2014
#66
Ok, then change it to "Without religion, would people still give charity to the poor"
Htom Sirveaux
Jul 2014
#17
Eh? You just sabotaged your own graph by undermining the lone distinction it made.
trotsky
Jul 2014
#32
No, you're just wanting to pick a more nebulous standard for how we judge someone as being...
trotsky
Jul 2014
#99
Using Sociology, we could call "religion" whatever calls itself that, or is called that, say.
Brettongarcia
Jul 2014
#8
OK Sirveau: so you've finally decided to come out as a Christian Liberal apologist.
Brettongarcia
Jul 2014
#54
I see problems for the authors' thesis: very liberal states often have severe environment
Brettongarcia
Jul 2014
#9
Saying slave states suffered 'threats' seems a strange value judgement
muriel_volestrangler
Jul 2014
#14
What about the excuses for the states responsible for the procurement and transportation of slaves
Leontius
Jul 2014
#28
Are you the new "But It's Not Because Of Religion!" Spokesperson? I saw there was a vacancy.
mr blur
Jul 2014
#30
I think it is pretty exciting too. That post has been vacant for a while.
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#47
I think this is a very interesting study, even if the results are not surprising.
cbayer
Jul 2014
#53
I find it unsurprising that strong religion is linked to poverty and ignorance; to the South
Brettongarcia
Jul 2014
#55
And the chief voice of anti-abortionism ... was Catholic conservative religion.
Brettongarcia
Jul 2014
#72
When you bond religion into the national, cultural, ethnic or racial and economic identity of a
Leontius
Jul 2014
#100
But many people give all the other motivations a pass and just assign blame to religion.
Leontius
Jul 2014
#103
Except you can't move on without being able to separate motivation from justification.
Leontius
Jul 2014
#109
Let's turn that around: what if it is claimed that religion doesn't have positive effects ...
Brettongarcia
Jul 2014
#73
But since the claim is clearly false, your statement is meaningless. n/t
Fortinbras Armstrong
Jul 2014
#77