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In reply to the discussion: The burden of proof is on believers [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)51. Adding additional clauses doesn't change the meaning.
You want people to act the way you would prefer instead of the way they would prefer. Adding additional clauses to the sentence doesn't change the result.
This sad and lame meme about it being up to liberal believers to conquer the religious right has run it's course long ago. It will need a coalition of people from the left to do that - believers and not.
Atheists are somewhere around 10% of the population. You are claiming the remaining 90% are unable to act until that 10% does what you want.
Despite the fact that conservative believers utterly dominate our political discourse with about 30% of the population.
Atheists do not need to accept anything, but they need to realize who is one their team and will help them.
We do. Your inaction makes it abundantly clear.
I am glad you know about Moral Mondays. If you look a little further you will see Moral Mondays everywhere.
The fact that I have to desperately dig for examples, while the religious right dominates the government and media demonstrates the utter failure of liberal believers.
If you are tired of being lumped with conservative believers, then get to work and fix it. Make a "religious left" whose effects can be found without going to the 4th page of Google results.
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Thanks for your input. This was an excellent OP and discussion.Till it got involved in personalities
Brettongarcia
Jul 2014
#176
Then we need people like you to keep in mind who we are talking about if we happen to
AtheistCrusader
Jul 2014
#74
Are you engaged in tone policing or any of the deflection activities I mentioned?
AtheistCrusader
Jul 2014
#82
Back story: as I recall, it was ms. cbayer herself that began objecting to atheists' "tone"
Brettongarcia
Jul 2014
#170
By supporting some things uncritically, you end up inadvertantly endorsing the bad things in them
Brettongarcia
Jul 2014
#203
So you are somehow making a link between African Americans and genocide in Africa.
cbayer
Jul 2014
#206
Correction: African Religions. Which have been guilty of bad things it seems.
Brettongarcia
Jul 2014
#211
Yet, whenever we point out the god those Tea-RW types are worshipping isn't real its #NotAllReligion
AtheistCrusader
Jul 2014
#85
Does it matter? You are talking on an open board and anyone can respond to anything.
cbayer
Jul 2014
#192
I never thought it was tailored to me, I just wanted to know who you were speaking for.
cbayer
Jul 2014
#207
The real problem is why religion is powerful enough to be used as a weapon, cbayer.
trotsky
Jul 2014
#180
No, the real problem is why capitalist classes concentrate the power in the first place.
rug
Jul 2014
#195
The reason why this is such an important concept, cbayer, as many people keep trying to point out...
trotsky
Jul 2014
#29
I think that you put your finger here on exactly who needs incurrs the burden of proof.
stone space
Aug 2014
#308
I honestly did not recognize that his was in response to that particular thread.
cbayer
Aug 2014
#324
Well said. Every claim of fact needs evidence. No religious exemption. Where is the meat?
Fred Sanders
Jul 2014
#3
"Certain persons...made shipwreck of...faith" (1 Tim 1.19); "test everything" (1 Thess. 5.21).
Brettongarcia
Jul 2014
#163
I do. Criteria about how believers make it an issue has been offered in this thread.
AtheistCrusader
Jul 2014
#201
Most who make "faith" claims turn, and claim holy certainty.Then the Bible sees problems with Faith
Brettongarcia
Jul 2014
#191
That would be cbayer's spouse, the alleged atheist who hates all the other atheists here.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
#269
I think this point your tactics speak for themselves and it does not reflect well on you.
hrmjustin
Aug 2014
#276
Warren this conversation is at an end. keep going if you like but I am done.
hrmjustin
Aug 2014
#278
You have my permission to call me out by name when referring to people
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#241
No if you look in interfaith there is a thread istarted called religious privilege.
hrmjustin
Aug 2014
#301
Here's a hint:You can't have a discussion about religious privilege in INTERFAITH
Lordquinton
Aug 2014
#314
I know you and your partner love to read jury decisions, so here's yours. No need for thanks.
mr blur
Jul 2014
#230
The tone police will be visiting you shortly because you put up and didn't shut up.
cbayer
Jul 2014
#32
There's a series of books online that says the Bible values science & evidence, over faith. Citing:
Brettongarcia
Jul 2014
#173
Yes, Dr. Woodbridge Goodman PhD. His books also appear in the Library of Congress.
Brettongarcia
Jul 2014
#209
I deplore how the Separation clause of the US Constitution has been distorted. (nt)
pinto
Jul 2014
#52
Your conditiion is manifestly not met. So it is fair to demand proof.
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2014
#177
14 of the current R/T ops about atheists/atheism were posted by non-atheists
beam me up scottie
Jul 2014
#105
One member here tried to tell me I was not really a Christian because I don't believe the rule book
hrmjustin
Jul 2014
#119
No he was trying to say Christianity is following the rile book and my faith is a theist faith.
hrmjustin
Jul 2014
#127
I said it happened with others as well. I am not recounting every story because it woukd take too
hrmjustin
Jul 2014
#133
Questioning belief is good, telling you what you believe not so much.
beam me up scottie
Jul 2014
#151
Which individual atheist posts about religion as obsessively as you do about atheism?
beam me up scottie
Jul 2014
#129
You really shouldn't say "individual atheist" and "we" in the same post. It makes one wonder.
rug
Jul 2014
#131
Name the atheist who has as many threads about religion as you do about atheism.
beam me up scottie
Jul 2014
#135
A post by a non-atheist claimed that they don't give a damn what we believe
beam me up scottie
Jul 2014
#155
In your opinion, is writing or publishing books attacking theism or defending atheism
Htom Sirveaux
Jul 2014
#172
I see, so your contention is that "caused by God" doesn't have a real meaning.
Htom Sirveaux
Aug 2014
#321
Well there you go, just reduce the definition of "god" to something that doesn't
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
#281
You don't know if there is intelligent life in the universe other than on this planet
cbayer
Aug 2014
#291
The discussion is about intelligent life in the universe other than on this planet.
cbayer
Aug 2014
#320
No, it is not. Those believers do not care what the non-believers think of them.
MADem
Jul 2014
#157
No, I'm not. Just because you insist that people "have to prove it" doesn't mean that they
MADem
Aug 2014
#336
See Post 73: technically, "faith" claims assert no certainty, and no proof. But in actuality?
Brettongarcia
Jul 2014
#221
I don't see how that obliges anyone to prove anything regarding their personal beliefs.
Starboard Tack
Jul 2014
#224
If the Roman Catholic Church had its way, I would not have been allowed to create 9
AtheistCrusader
Jul 2014
#225
Their followers lobby, donate, and vote for laws to constrict my activities according to their faith
AtheistCrusader
Jul 2014
#240
If that's what they are doing. I don't see anyone here doing that. Do you?
Starboard Tack
Jul 2014
#248
I don't see anyone here doing it. But I do see people here deflecting and defending when I point it
AtheistCrusader
Jul 2014
#252
I'd suggest glasses, or grammar school to learn what punctuation is (because there was plenty there)
Lordquinton
Aug 2014
#288
The burdern of proof lies with anybody who wishes to convince others of his or her beliefs.
stone space
Aug 2014
#306