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Lordquinton

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325. You are correct

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 03:51 AM

Aug 2014

just in the exact opposite. Shifting the burden is a common tactic of believers who are confronted with the fact that there is no there there. As I have said a couple times, the atheist side has provided evidence that there is no god, time after time, through out the centuries the priesthood has been pushed back on grounds that they claimed were proof of their god's work. Earthquakes, rainbows, harvests, all proven to not be divinely inspired.

Deflection is all these claims that believers have no burden when called to answer it.

btw, faith isn't belief without the requirement of evidence, it's believe without evidence. Subtle, yet notable difference there.

( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith dictionary definition for ya, I know you like to pull them out when it goes in your favor)

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The burden of proof is on believers [View all] Lordquinton Jul 2014 OP

I have no burden here. I am not trying to convince you to believe. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #1

I think the point is Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #6

Thanks for your input. This was an excellent OP and discussion.Till it got involved in personalities Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #176

Then we need people like you to keep in mind who we are talking about if we happen to AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #74

People like me? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #76

Yes, because we are talking about people who are not you. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #77

What are people like me supposed to mean? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #78

A political minority of progressives who are also religious. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #79

And the op was not addressing people like me? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #80

Are you engaged in tone policing or any of the deflection activities I mentioned? AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #82

Then who did the op mean? Only rw believers? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #83

Is "tone policing" the current meme? cbayer Jul 2014 #166

Back story: as I recall, it was ms. cbayer herself that began objecting to atheists' "tone" Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #170

Exactly. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #183

And I will also ask you to back that up. cbayer Jul 2014 #199

I don't believe that is accurate, so please don't repeat it without evidence. cbayer Jul 2014 #187

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #193

Wait, you are again accusing me of supporting genocide cbayer Jul 2014 #198

By supporting some things uncritically, you end up inadvertantly endorsing the bad things in them Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #203

So you are somehow making a link between African Americans and genocide in Africa. cbayer Jul 2014 #206

Correction: African Religions. Which have been guilty of bad things it seems. Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #211

I think you were over the top and should eithdraw your accusations. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #216

That's a real stretch, Brettongarcia. pinto Jul 2014 #208

Wow, just wow! Somethings continue to surprise me here. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #205

I'm rarely surprised anymore, but this one really takes the cake. cbayer Jul 2014 #213

He should wirhdraw it. His allegations are disgustiing and over the top. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #214

It makes not a bit of difference to me whether he withdraws it or not. cbayer Jul 2014 #218

I have come to expect it from him. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #220

I see a jury agreed and I hope someone posts the results. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #226

Then you should be more accurate and precise when you "slag believers". rug Jul 2014 #84

Yet, whenever we point out the god those Tea-RW types are worshipping isn't real its #NotAllReligion AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #85

I get your point but - dareisay - it's an overstatement. rug Jul 2014 #86

Who is we? I really like to know who I am dealing with when I respond to an cbayer Jul 2014 #167

Was I talking to you? AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #184

Does it matter? You are talking on an open board and anyone can respond to anything. cbayer Jul 2014 #192

I was responding directly to Rug's post. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #200

I never thought it was tailored to me, I just wanted to know who you were speaking for. cbayer Jul 2014 #207

thank you for your input Lordquinton Jul 2014 #89

I never said it wasn't. And I am allowed to respond. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #90

I never said you weren't Lordquinton Jul 2014 #97

I mean I have no burdens to prove anything about my faith here. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #99

ok, but what about other believers who try to push their views? Lordquinton Jul 2014 #100

If they are trying to convert yes there is a burden. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #101

ok, so you agree with the post Lordquinton Jul 2014 #103

I think I misjudged what you were saying. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #104

Who is trying to prove anything? cbayer Jul 2014 #2

Maybe it was a generalization for crap like this Phlem Jul 2014 #5

Ok, let's make our point against Jody Hice then cbayer Jul 2014 #24

Really? Phlem Jul 2014 #73

Agree, this is not a christian nation. cbayer Jul 2014 #159

The real problem is why religion is powerful enough to be used as a weapon, cbayer. trotsky Jul 2014 #180

No, the real problem is why capitalist classes concentrate the power in the first place. rug Jul 2014 #195

How does the "power" use religions to divide and maintain power? n/t Fix The Stupid Jul 2014 #223

Currently, it is used in the U.S. to attempt to control women. rug Jul 2014 #227

I agree somewhat. Fix The Stupid Jul 2014 #229

Sure. rug Jul 2014 #249

Didn't you just post in a thread edhopper Jul 2014 #8

That was in a different thread so it doesn't count. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #10

I posted in that thread but did not endorse that idea. cbayer Jul 2014 #23

No you weren't edhopper Jul 2014 #25

Did not see that as obvious. cbayer Jul 2014 #26

Okay edhopper Jul 2014 #53

You are correct, I was not endorsing one model over the other. Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #117

Well, it either confused people or they saw only what they wanted to see. cbayer Jul 2014 #164

I'll be extra careful next time. Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #165

I think it's great that you write original posts. cbayer Jul 2014 #168

I wasn't criticizing at all, sorry for creating that impression. Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #169

The reason why this is such an important concept, cbayer, as many people keep trying to point out... trotsky Jul 2014 #29

thank you for your input Lordquinton Jul 2014 #91

Yes, there are those here who believe in god. cbayer Jul 2014 #162

I think that you put your finger here on exactly who needs incurrs the burden of proof. stone space Aug 2014 #308

The burden of proof argument is just a deflection. cbayer Aug 2014 #323

You are correct Lordquinton Aug 2014 #325

There is no there there? Are you sure? cbayer Aug 2014 #326

The comment is about not knowing why this thread is posted here Lordquinton Aug 2014 #312

I honestly did not recognize that his was in response to that particular thread. cbayer Aug 2014 #324

I claim the opposite. stone space Aug 2014 #307

Well said. Every claim of fact needs evidence. No religious exemption. Where is the meat? Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #3

Agree, that is if the claim of fact is made. cbayer Jul 2014 #27

Error, AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #75

Error, cbayer Jul 2014 #160

"Certain persons...made shipwreck of...faith" (1 Tim 1.19); "test everything" (1 Thess. 5.21). Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #163

I realize that. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #182

I agree that it is meaningless to anyone who doesn't share that belief. cbayer Jul 2014 #190

I do. Criteria about how believers make it an issue has been offered in this thread. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #201

Can you point me to those criteria. cbayer Jul 2014 #212

Here's one. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #219

Most who make "faith" claims turn, and claim holy certainty.Then the Bible sees problems with Faith Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #191

thanks. Lordquinton Jul 2014 #92

I think if you were strong in your belief or understanding upaloopa Jul 2014 #4

The mistake is you're labeling atheism a belief. jeff47 Jul 2014 #11

Well change the word to what? upaloopa Jul 2014 #13

Because there would now be proof. jeff47 Jul 2014 #16

My only problem with your analogy edhopper Jul 2014 #14

Hence the quotes around "believe". (nt) jeff47 Jul 2014 #15

Okay edhopper Jul 2014 #18

But did anyone claim to be an ablackmatterist? cbayer Jul 2014 #28

Yes. Everyone did. jeff47 Jul 2014 #31

They may have been that, but no one claimed it and made a cause out of it. cbayer Jul 2014 #37

Which now leads us to divide-and-conquer jeff47 Jul 2014 #39

I do not want to divide and conquer. cbayer Jul 2014 #42

Unite under your way of thinking. jeff47 Jul 2014 #43

I dont' wish to eliminate those that oppose me, I want to eliminate those cbayer Jul 2014 #45

Adding additional clauses doesn't change the meaning. jeff47 Jul 2014 #51

I'm not a believer. So look and see where your assumptions led you. cbayer Jul 2014 #158

Ah it is such a triumph every time you play that card! Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #237

Are you saying she believes in God here? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #244

I said exactly what I meant. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #250

She would disagree with you. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #251

She would not be honest in doing so. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #259

Calling her a liar? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #263

What is your point Justin? Alert trolling? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #264

I think this is an ugly and dispicable tactic on your part. Alert yourself. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #265

What? Noting that cbayer springs her clever trap on a regular basis? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #266

Funny how this tactic is employed by some here. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #267

That would be cbayer's spouse, the alleged atheist who hates all the other atheists here. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #269

I don't think your in a postion to judge others. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #270

of course I am. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #275

I think this point your tactics speak for themselves and it does not reflect well on you. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #276

I thought you weren't judging others. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #277

Warren this conversation is at an end. keep going if you like but I am done. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #278

Not it. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #280

have any proof to back that statement up? Lordquinton Aug 2014 #295

Read what I wrote. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #296

So you don't Lordquinton Aug 2014 #297

I don't have a star so I can nit do advanced search. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #299

No, you're being judgmental. rug Aug 2014 #279

FFS, cbayer!!! trotsky Jul 2014 #48

Some people here have made clear they want religion to disappear. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #49

There is a big difference between wanting religion edhopper Jul 2014 #54

I don't think she meant a purge physically. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #55

So what do you think people mean when you say: edhopper Jul 2014 #56

I don't think you guys want us in a bucket. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #58

It still connotes edhopper Jul 2014 #60

Ok. I doubt it was meant that way. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #61

Over here! Me! Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #238

Yes Warren. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #239

You have my permission to call me out by name when referring to people Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #241

Thank you. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #242

Because of Hobby lobby's beliefs edhopper Jul 2014 #12

Don't you ever want to take stock in your beliefs edhopper Jul 2014 #17

Another way of saying that... gcomeau Jul 2014 #34

thank you for your input Lordquinton Jul 2014 #93

I hate to break this to you, okasha Jul 2014 #7

And yet - you demand that we respect what you believe. mr blur Jul 2014 #19

What is it you think okasha believes? cbayer Jul 2014 #30

did you read Okasha's post Cbayer? Lordquinton Jul 2014 #87

Is there some particular reason why anyone but you okasha Jul 2014 #95

thanks for caring so much. Lordquinton Jul 2014 #98

Of course I read it. cbayer Jul 2014 #161

I judged you by your own actions Lordquinton Jul 2014 #179

Bout of rank hypocrisy? cbayer Jul 2014 #189

It's when you attack the way someone says something Lordquinton Aug 2014 #298

Sometimes the way someone says something should be challenged, cbayer Aug 2014 #322

Actually, I demand that you stay out of what I believe okasha Jul 2014 #59

could you link that post about your beliefs edhopper Jul 2014 #62

My allegedly smart phone can't handle links. okasha Jul 2014 #66

I'll look edhopper Jul 2014 #67

Interfaith "Religious privilege" thread? Lordquinton Aug 2014 #300

No if you look in interfaith there is a thread istarted called religious privilege. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #301

You're serious? Lordquinton Aug 2014 #313

Because you say so? Because you can't control the debate? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #330

Wrong again. okasha Aug 2014 #304

Here's a hint:You can't have a discussion about religious privilege in INTERFAITH Lordquinton Aug 2014 #314

Interfaith excludes no one but trolls and disruptors. okasha Aug 2014 #331

Yo do know atheists posts in interfaith, right? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #332

Demand away (it suits you), It would be my pleasure. mr blur Jul 2014 #69

But I don't flaunt my beliefs in public. okasha Jul 2014 #70

I know you and your partner love to read jury decisions, so here's yours. No need for thanks. mr blur Jul 2014 #230

Not my alert. okasha Jul 2014 #232

Not mine either. i wonder who your partner is. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #233

Me, too. okasha Jul 2014 #235

Think "comedy double act". You three should know - mr blur Aug 2014 #290

If there's three of us, okasha Aug 2014 #305

Ah there it is again: "I think it's past your bedtime". Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #258

Well, well. Looky here. okasha Aug 2014 #310

Wow. JNelson6563 Jul 2014 #40

but you do care Okasha, this post shows you care so much Lordquinton Jul 2014 #88

Uhmmm, no. okasha Jul 2014 #96

this thread has over 100 replies, obviously your belief holds no merit Lordquinton Jul 2014 #102

If my "belief has no merit" okasha Jul 2014 #255

When has "rug" skepticscott Aug 2014 #283

Multum in parvo. okasha Aug 2014 #309

I think the minute believers edhopper Jul 2014 #9

I think the more pertinent issue is separation of the church and state. pinto Jul 2014 #44

this is one of the important reasons I'm posting about this Lordquinton Jul 2014 #94

the proof BabbaTam Jul 2014 #20

And what do you say about people like edhopper Jul 2014 #21

Burden of proof is a legal and a philosophical term. rug Jul 2014 #22

The tone police will be visiting you shortly because you put up and didn't shut up. cbayer Jul 2014 #32

They'd better have a warrant. rug Jul 2014 #36

And a straight jacket. cbayer Jul 2014 #41

I'll start letting people know "Blues" does not exist. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2014 #33

Charlie Parker is God. rug Jul 2014 #35

No, no, no--Eric Clapton is God. nt truebluegreen Jul 2014 #63

How dare you use logic like that you irrational and deluded believer! hrmjustin Jul 2014 #38

There's a series of books online that says the Bible values science & evidence, over faith. Citing: Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #173

This "Dr. Woodbridge Goodman, Ph.D." (sic) ? rug Jul 2014 #188

Yes, Dr. Woodbridge Goodman PhD. His books also appear in the Library of Congress. Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #209

Frankly, with his "Heaven-Shattering Second View", he sounds like a crackpot. rug Jul 2014 #228

Looks like BG okasha Jul 2014 #236

I was too polite to say. rug Jul 2014 #247

The sheer incoherence is a giveaway. okasha Jul 2014 #253

! rug Jul 2014 #254

My pleasure. okasha Jul 2014 #256

Faith is belief without the need for proof. Maedhros Jul 2014 #46

This is a great response. cbayer Jul 2014 #47

Religion serves as a code of ethics and moral guidance for individuals. Maedhros Jul 2014 #50

I deplore how the Separation clause of the US Constitution has been distorted. (nt) pinto Jul 2014 #52

I think Hobby Lobby edhopper Jul 2014 #57

It was Citizens United that broke it okasha Jul 2014 #64

Citizens United was awful edhopper Jul 2014 #65

CU bestowed "personhood" on corporations, okasha Jul 2014 #68

No question edhopper Jul 2014 #71

I agree. okasha Jul 2014 #72

Long term edhopper Jul 2014 #81

Sorry, not even close skepticscott Aug 2014 #285

Sorry, but it wasn't skepticscott Aug 2014 #284

Their moral code is frequently immoral. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #178

�A farmer went out to sow his seed. Maedhros Jul 2014 #197

Your conditiion is manifestly not met. So it is fair to demand proof. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #177

Demanding proof to what end? Maedhros Jul 2014 #194

14 of the current R/T ops about atheists/atheism were posted by non-atheists beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #105

Is that percentage higher or lower than those posted about religion by atheists? rug Jul 2014 #106

And look who immediately leaps up to take the bait. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #107

He has a point though. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #108

If you think that you've missed the point. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #110

yes I do care what atheists think. I think I have made that clear. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #111

Others don't. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #113

yes there are atheists who have tried to define me here. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #114

They tried to redefine your christianity? beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #116

One member here tried to tell me I was not really a Christian because I don't believe the rule book hrmjustin Jul 2014 #119

So one atheist tried to do it to you one time. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #122

Not just once. people here have tried to define me many times. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #123

Did they say you weren't really a christian? beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #125

No he was trying to say Christianity is following the rile book and my faith is a theist faith. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #127

One time. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #130

I said it happened with others as well. I am not recounting every story because it woukd take too hrmjustin Jul 2014 #133

Are your beliefs repeatedly questioned in this forum? beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #144

Yes they are. I accept that as a part of this forum. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #146

I'm not talking about why you believe but what you believe. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #148

Thanks my friend. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #149

Questioning belief is good, telling you what you believe not so much. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #151

Yes it is always good to question our views and to have them challenged. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #153

Let me see, is Gomer considered stupid or a liar? rug Jul 2014 #128

I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #132

no but it is insulting. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #134

Yes it is. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #138

Thats ok I made peace with the poster. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #139

I'm glad. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #141

Thank you. I appreciate your kind words. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #142

But it's pretty damned close to calling someone stupid. rug Jul 2014 #136

Ah, I see you have no answer. rug Jul 2014 #109

10 of the current ops are yours. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #112

At least. And you still haven't answered the question. rug Jul 2014 #115

Actually I have to feed the dogs and horses right now. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #118

Do you object? Do you have a monopoly on the topic? rug Jul 2014 #120

Name one atheist who posts threads at the same rate as you. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #124

That's not the question. rug Jul 2014 #126

Which individual atheist posts about religion as obsessively as you do about atheism? beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #129

You really shouldn't say "individual atheist" and "we" in the same post. It makes one wonder. rug Jul 2014 #131

Name the atheist who has as many threads about religion as you do about atheism. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #135

State the percentage of religion posts by atheists. rug Jul 2014 #137

You can't name an atheist who posts as obsessively as you do. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #140

You'd better check the jurors' faces before you rest on that. rug Jul 2014 #143

No jury needed, the numbers speak for themselves. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #145

What numbers? You haven't provided any. rug Jul 2014 #147

You have 10 ops about atheism/atheists on the first page. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #150

Why are you striving so hard to not answer the question? rug Jul 2014 #152

A post by a non-atheist claimed that they don't give a damn what we believe beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #155

Regardless of why you posted, you still did not answer the question. rug Jul 2014 #156

That "you" is addressed to Lordquinton, okasha Jul 2014 #243

Religion affects all our lives. trotsky Jul 2014 #181

Sorry to hear you're puzzled. rug Jul 2014 #196

Depends on who is doing the arguing, doesn't it? Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author Phlem Jul 2014 #154

thank you for your reply Lordquinton Jul 2014 #171

In your opinion, is writing or publishing books attacking theism or defending atheism Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #172

here's the atheists "burden" answered for you. Lordquinton Jul 2014 #174

Asking what counts as evidence is not a strawman. Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #186

Let's go back further than, say, last tuesday Lordquinton Aug 2014 #272

What does "the floaty way the term is used now" mean? Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #273

Given that you just avoided a direct question Lordquinton Aug 2014 #294

No, thank you! Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #311

You're correct, but I try anyways Lordquinton Aug 2014 #316

I'm not shy about discussing reasons to believe that God exists. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #318

You don't understand your own question? Lordquinton Aug 2014 #319

I see, so your contention is that "caused by God" doesn't have a real meaning. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #321

You have several logic holes Lordquinton Aug 2014 #328

First, I didn't presuppose a creator, I made an argument for a creator. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #333

There is no evidence that there is intelligent life anywhere in the universe. cbayer Jul 2014 #202

Intelligent life on other planets phil89 Jul 2014 #210

And a god is at odds with the laws of physics or reality? cbayer Jul 2014 #217

You don't think gods are supposed to be supernatural phil89 Aug 2014 #271

Well there you go, just reduce the definition of "god" to something that doesn't Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #281

You just committed the same blunder again. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #282

There is intelligent life in the universe Lordquinton Aug 2014 #287

You don't know if there is intelligent life in the universe other than on this planet cbayer Aug 2014 #291

Ok, step by step logic here Lordquinton Aug 2014 #292

The discussion is about intelligent life in the universe other than on this planet. cbayer Aug 2014 #320

No, it is not. Those believers do not care what the non-believers think of them. MADem Jul 2014 #157

thank you for your input Lordquinton Jul 2014 #175

Neither side cares--that's my point. They both think the other is WRONG. MADem Jul 2014 #231

No, you are mis-characterizing the situation Lordquinton Aug 2014 #317

No, I'm not. Just because you insist that people "have to prove it" doesn't mean that they MADem Aug 2014 #336

Except we live in a society subject to laws based on unsubstantiated claims phil89 Aug 2014 #302

Of course it is. Iggo Jul 2014 #185

I don't think you understand the concept of 'belief'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #204

See Post 73: technically, "faith" claims assert no certainty, and no proof. But in actuality? Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #221

Maybe, if there were a burden of proof, which there isn't. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #215

They do, if it's a basis for legislative advocacy/lobbying. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #222

I don't see how that obliges anyone to prove anything regarding their personal beliefs. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #224

If the Roman Catholic Church had its way, I would not have been allowed to create 9 AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #225

What does that have to do with personal beliefs? Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #234

Their followers lobby, donate, and vote for laws to constrict my activities according to their faith AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #240

That is your right. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #245

"It's a personal decision." AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #246

If that's what they are doing. I don't see anyone here doing that. Do you? Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #248

I don't see anyone here doing it. But I do see people here deflecting and defending when I point it AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #252

What "moral lobbying"? What "authority"? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #257

I have fucking explained this to you too many times to count. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #260

Their "source" is faith. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #261

We finally passed I-1000 over their objections. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #262

Glad you won. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #268

thank you for your input Lordquinton Aug 2014 #274

I'm sorry, but I tried reading that 3 times and ended with a headache. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #286

I'd suggest glasses, or grammar school to learn what punctuation is (because there was plenty there) Lordquinton Aug 2014 #288

Sorry. I'm wearing glasses and the punctuation isn't helping. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #289

So I'm assuming you have absolutely no counter to anything I've said Lordquinton Aug 2014 #293

OK. Good morning! Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #327

You contradict yourself here. okasha Aug 2014 #334

It's a rejection of the claim a god or gods exist. phil89 Aug 2014 #303

It is a rejection of the belief that a god exists. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #329

The burdern of proof lies with anybody who wishes to convince others of his or her beliefs. stone space Aug 2014 #306

thank you for your input Lordquinton Aug 2014 #315

Thank you for your input. stone space Aug 2014 #335