Religion

cbayer

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51. I'm not sure.

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 04:44 PM

Aug 2014

But when you say that religion is about believing in something that is unfounded, that is your opinion and a pejorative take on religious belief.

An individual's beliefs may be well founded for them, though you wouldn't buy it. Your lack of belief may be well founded for you, though some would not buy it.

Personally, I prefer to take the position that some people believe and some people don't' and neither group is wrong or right.

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Is the most harmful religion also the most authentic religion? [View all] Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 OP

Authentic religion is an oxymoron randr Aug 2014 #1

What randr said atreides1 Aug 2014 #2

Ok, let's try another way: Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #3

Jesus (as the bible depicts Jesus). Ghandi. merrily Aug 2014 #4

people who claim to be religious, not from the religions themselves. AlbertCat Aug 2014 #75

+1 Scuba Aug 2014 #5

How is it an oxymoron? cbayer Aug 2014 #23

Simply put randr Aug 2014 #31

The word authentic is difficult in this context because it cbayer Aug 2014 #33

Right you are randr Aug 2014 #35

Imo, religious practitioners are more often genuine and sincere cbayer Aug 2014 #36

Sincere belief makes a religion more authentic? immoderate Aug 2014 #53

I'm not really clear of the definition of "authentic" in this context. cbayer Aug 2014 #55

"Athentic" seems an inappropriate modifier for "religion." immoderate Aug 2014 #58

Perhaps. I am still not clear on the point�. cbayer Aug 2014 #59

Authentic religion AlbertCat Aug 2014 #78

It's the follower, not the faith. Wait Wut Aug 2014 #6

Why is this simple truth so ferociously denied? rug Aug 2014 #12

I don't know, arrogance? Wait Wut Aug 2014 #13

Because some religions have doctrine that is an exhortation to being a "hateful asshole". AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #15

You confuse religion with the republican platform. rug Aug 2014 #16

Do I? AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #17

Oh, do you equate them? This will be very interesting. rug Aug 2014 #18

I didn't raise the spectre of politics at all. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #19

I have never a hateful Niceguy1 Aug 2014 #34

You weren't listening very carefully then. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #37

Why is this simple truth so ferociously denied? AlbertCat Aug 2014 #79

Define "authentic," please. okasha Aug 2014 #7

The platonic ideal, the essence of religion, Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #8

Not really. okasha Aug 2014 #9

That's the question I'm asking. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #10

Then I go with "other" okasha Aug 2014 #11

It's subjective, but I'll make a feeble attempt at defining "authentic religion". stone space Aug 2014 #29

Thanks. That's a clear, workable definition. okasha Aug 2014 #46

Harmful to...? Iggo Aug 2014 #14

I'm not sure I understand. Could you expand on your thought? nt Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #20

Exactly. (n/t) Iggo Aug 2014 #21

You...win? I guess? nt Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #22

Sirveaux as usual is playing "apologetics"; playing logic and word games to defend "good" religion Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #26

I think you make a good point about not devaluing the physical. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #47

Oh, just 'fess up, Htom, okasha Aug 2014 #57

Shhhhh! Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #63

Servieux: Do you have a strong association with a recognized church? Especially,are you a preacher? Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #65

I'm a Unitarian Universalist. I'm not a preacher, and... Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #66

Thanks for the clarification; sorry for my close exam on this question, which is important Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #67

1. I can think of many people who were assassinated or nearly assassinated Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #68

Your second observation is the one okasha Aug 2014 #69

1) Religion often glorifies being assassinated; 2) Byzantium was never as great as Rome. Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #70

Answers: Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #72

I agree that fortunately, Religion is finding a nenewed respect for Science. Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #73

There are individuals and groups that are harmful, both religious and not. cbayer Aug 2014 #24

Likely ALL religions are harmful; even the "good" or "authentic" or inauthenitic ones Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #25

There's an authentic religion? intaglio Aug 2014 #27

How are you defining authentic? cbayer Aug 2014 #28

Definitions intaglio Aug 2014 #30

Agreed. I was going for the sincere definition, but I find the word authentic difficult to cbayer Aug 2014 #32

I was going for "possessed of all the traits Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #38

What traits? n/t intaglio Aug 2014 #39

Good question. What makes something a "religion", in your opinion? nt Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #40

Unfounded belief in a deity or other supernatural force intaglio Aug 2014 #48

If you have not found a reason to believe, then your belief would be unfounded. cbayer Aug 2014 #49

Does well founded mean believed to be well founded intaglio Aug 2014 #50

I'm not sure. cbayer Aug 2014 #51

I was asked for my opinion intaglio Aug 2014 #54

Well I am glad to hear that you are on the cutting edge cbayer Aug 2014 #56

Lots of people think their belief in a deity or other supernatural force Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #60

Refer to post 50 intaglio Aug 2014 #61

That raises two questions for me: first, demonstratively well-founded to who? Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #62

Consider the meaning of monstrance n/t intaglio Aug 2014 #64

Possessed of all what traits that constitute what particular category? cbayer Aug 2014 #41

Religion is the category. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #42

So by authentic, do you mean most dogmatic and rigid? cbayer Aug 2014 #43

In that example, the character of "me" Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #44

I am still having trouble understanding what you are saying. cbayer Aug 2014 #45

Doesnt the OP question point out how absurd religion is in the first place? randys1 Aug 2014 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #71

As many other have pointed out, so much depends on your definitions. trotsky Aug 2014 #74

I wish there'd been an option to click that ALL forms of religion are harmful catbyte Aug 2014 #76

I agree; the lack of that option biases the poll Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #80

All forms of bigotry are harmful, including bigotry against the religious. cbayer Aug 2014 #81

I'm not a bigot. I have found that religion--especially Christianity--is personally damaging to me. catbyte Aug 2014 #82

So based on your personal experience and a statistic about how many Indians cbayer Aug 2014 #83

No, I got the clue that it was harmful from my mom. Her 90th birthday was yesterday if she'd lived. catbyte Aug 2014 #84

Ah, native americans. cbayer Aug 2014 #86

Yeah, we have a habit of calling ourselves "Indians" a lot. I don't know why, lol. catbyte Aug 2014 #87

I get confused by the term indian, because I am often not sure cbayer Aug 2014 #88

Calling any criticism of religion in general, "bigot"ed, is the fundamentalist cliche of our time Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #85

As is calling any religion bigoted. rug Aug 2014 #89

!!?? Religions are famous for a racism, nationalism, and genocidal prejudice Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #90

Viewing all that, and more, I come away with a position on religion that is informed but not bigoted rug Aug 2014 #91

I would think so, unless I misunderstood the question. LibAsHell Aug 2014 #77