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42. Is that the depth of your understanding of christianity?

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Mon Aug 11, 2014, 02:36 AM

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Stupid Religion [View all] cbayer Aug 2014 OP

Yes. This. Control-Z Aug 2014 #1

It is simply the golden rule, and a belief that spans cbayer Aug 2014 #4

...and non-religions.... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #58

I stand corrected and agree with you 100%. cbayer Aug 2014 #64

"How we treat other people" is the central message promoted in early Christian literature. gordianot Aug 2014 #2

But there are differences between groups and it is critical that those cbayer Aug 2014 #3

In Europe, Africa, Asia there are cemeteries full of people murdered in the name of religion. gordianot Aug 2014 #5

In Europe, Africa and Asia there are millions of people who's lives were cbayer Aug 2014 #6

You can be religious and a good person bvf Aug 2014 #7

It's not a step ahead morality wise, but if it makes you feel superior cbayer Aug 2014 #8

Now there's a straw man argument for you. bvf Aug 2014 #13

It's not a straw man. It's the truth. cbayer Aug 2014 #21

Spoken like a true believer. bvf Aug 2014 #33

Except I'm not, so that should scare you even more. cbayer Aug 2014 #41

Seems to me the feeling of constantly being judged bvf Aug 2014 #44

What feeling of constantly being judged? cbayer Aug 2014 #46

What assumption was that? bvf Aug 2014 #47

It is interesting that people who spend a lot of time judging others... trotsky Aug 2014 #99

Agreed. n/t bvf Aug 2014 #100

When individuals or groups think they are "a step ahead, morality-wise", we have a problem Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #9

"Better"? bvf Aug 2014 #14

Only you know what you were trying to say Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #19

How about saying the other group is "stupid religion", "fake", and "garbage"? eomer Aug 2014 #50

We do not work as a team. We rarely discuss religion or DU, believe it or not. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #51

You're not the one who was called delusional or psychotic, not sure why you would imply you were. eomer Aug 2014 #54

SS has declared all believers to be psychotic and delusional Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #56

Whether they are members of DU or of this group has nothing to do with whether it's bigotry. eomer Aug 2014 #59

Did I say I was laughing at sacred texts? Right, I thought not. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #62

So your position is that saying in public that you laugh all day at a text someone holds sacred eomer Aug 2014 #70

I don't think I've ever laughed at anything all day in my life. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #81

Nothing in the Book of Mormon is sacred to me either, but it's all sacred to someone. eomer Aug 2014 #97

You couldn't be more wrong. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #117

So how would that work? eomer Aug 2014 #128

You seem to be really struggling with this. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #132

Not at all, thanks. eomer Aug 2014 #138

There is a HUGE fucking difference between saying okasha Aug 2014 #145

Of course there is, but thanks for making that point. eomer Aug 2014 #159

Is there some reason you are not addressing me directly? cbayer Aug 2014 #75

What I posted was almost verbatim what you said - here is your post: eomer Aug 2014 #86

You are correct. I missed that post. cbayer Aug 2014 #92

Thanks, I am with you for most of that but then you lose me near the end. eomer Aug 2014 #96

I introduce bigotry into the conversation when someone makes a broad statement cbayer Aug 2014 #98

See my post #130 etc. in response. "All" have sinned the Bible said. Etc. Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #131

There is no doubt skepticscott Aug 2014 #17

As long as a progressive identifies with a religion that has the Bible as it's source... MellowDem Aug 2014 #10

"Without real love, all you have is stupid religion." pinto Aug 2014 #11

Allow me to add, "Without an unbiased mind, all you have is stupid opinion." rug Aug 2014 #12

And you can have "real love" skepticscott Aug 2014 #16

Of course you can have real love without religion. Duh. I'm not claiming that. pinto Aug 2014 #18

So we need religion skepticscott Aug 2014 #22

Most of us don't, but it might do you some good. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #27

Most of "us"? skepticscott Aug 2014 #29

Who would that be? The decent human beings who frequent this group. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #31

You still can't answer the question, can you? skepticscott Aug 2014 #37

I characterize that attitude as "intolerant". Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author eomer Aug 2014 #49

You say few Catholics subscribe to it. Promethean Aug 2014 #61

Do you talk to many Catholics about this? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #66

Some choose religion. I'd wager for as many different reasons as there are those involved. pinto Aug 2014 #32

The article is " no true Scotsman" MellowDem Aug 2014 #24

Well said. n/t bvf Aug 2014 #15

As long as a progressive despises a religion that has the Bible as it's source... Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #20

There are no "good parts" of the Bible skepticscott Aug 2014 #23

And you wonder why you have marginalized yourself? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #25

Do tell us how YOU would characterize people skepticscott Aug 2014 #28

"What god wants" indeed. Well said. n/t bvf Aug 2014 #34

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #35

Dodging is all they have. bvf Aug 2014 #36

Most likely he's asleep. okasha Aug 2014 #38

Freud said all religion is "delusion"; the Bible said the whole world would be deceived in religion Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #124

There are no "good parts". AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #39

I was quoting MellowDem. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #48

David/Goliath is one skirmish in a war of conquest by the Israelis. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #55

We all have different experiences. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #57

Poiint of information. okasha Aug 2014 #68

The Philistines had a static presence in I think 5 major cities of that region. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #69

If you're rejoicing that a person was tortured and murdered phil89 Aug 2014 #26

We have a winner. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #40

Is that the depth of your understanding of christianity? cbayer Aug 2014 #42

There really isn't anything more to it. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #60

And that, AC, is the core of the problem when it comes to you and religion. cbayer Aug 2014 #65

That is THE single differentiating premise between christianity and any other religion. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #67

Actually, it's the resurrection that occasions the rejoicing. okasha Aug 2014 #71

To which the crucifixion is a prerequisite. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #104

Then your informants differ with Paul. okasha Aug 2014 #144

Without the crucifixion, how does jesus get raised? AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #147

He doesn't, of course. okasha Aug 2014 #151

Good Friday not happy? trotsky Aug 2014 #158

Martyrs of all sorts are found throughout many religions. cbayer Aug 2014 #105

"So while we clearly have a whiner"??? trotsky Aug 2014 #106

ROFL AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #108

ROFL? cbayer Aug 2014 #110

They are celebrating the crucifixion. In many cases, by literally nailing people to crosses. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #111

I am sure I could be more wrong. cbayer Aug 2014 #113

Oh good fucking god do we need to argue over the definition of words again? AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #114

No we don't. You are right, you win. cbayer Aug 2014 #115

Post 116. They do. Maybe not all. Some are somber about it. But the specific word REJOICE is used AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #119

For the game!! You are right and have totally convinced me. cbayer Aug 2014 #120

Not so fast. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #122

Are you changing your "win" to a "sort of under certain circumstances" then? cbayer Aug 2014 #125

I don't view a fetus as a person with rights and responsibilities. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #129

While interesting, that was not my point. cbayer Aug 2014 #133

Permitted? AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #134

Do you really think these arguments over trivial semantic definitions mean cbayer Aug 2014 #136

Also, this is complete BS. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #135

Bringing in the data we looked at recently, no, it's not 'much more closely correlated' muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #167

The specific word "rejoice" okasha Aug 2014 #146

I don't believe it's legal to nail yourself to a cross in the US. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #148

And I DO see christians here in the US rejoicing over the sacrifice jesus allegedly made, so you're AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #116

Okey, dokey. You win again! cbayer Aug 2014 #118

Do you know many christians? AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #121

I am sure you are aware of my background. cbayer Aug 2014 #123

I think it's a broken moral premise. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #126

The Bible said that the whole world would be found to follow a "false Christ" (Rev. 13.7-8) Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #130

Some Christians may celebrate this. okasha Aug 2014 #149

What you describe as good friday is actually a celebration. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #150

In the sense of "honor, solemnize," you are of course correct. okasha Aug 2014 #152

It is certainly dark territory. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #154

There was a definite dark strain okasha Aug 2014 #156

And if that wasn't clear enough for you, I suggest you read The Brothers Karamazov. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #112

In my worldview... 2naSalit Aug 2014 #30

You can lead a mind to knowledge but you can't make it think. cbayer Aug 2014 #43

Yes, we'd all be better off with more thinking bvf Aug 2014 #53

Yes we would. And religion/spirituality/belief is a very, very complex thing that cbayer Aug 2014 #63

Quantum physics is complex. bvf Aug 2014 #72

Again, your very simplistic view of a very complex subject explains cbayer Aug 2014 #73

Address my point then. bvf Aug 2014 #74

Which point is it you would like for me to address? cbayer Aug 2014 #76

You were the one to term my argument as simplistic. bvf Aug 2014 #77

Both belief and non-belief are snaps to the intellectually lazy. cbayer Aug 2014 #78

So address my point already. bvf Aug 2014 #79

There is no "why" about belief. cbayer Aug 2014 #80

It strikes me as sad if no one can ask "why" bvf Aug 2014 #85

Fascism? Yep, you got me pegged. cbayer Aug 2014 #88

There certainly is. bvf Aug 2014 #91

Vacuous, ignorant, fascist? We are done here. cbayer Aug 2014 #95

OK. bvf Aug 2014 #101

You seem to equate atheism bvf Aug 2014 #82

Equate? No, they are different sides of the same coin. Glad you find it cute. cbayer Aug 2014 #83

Why haven"t you answered my question? bvf Aug 2014 #84

What question, lol?? cbayer Aug 2014 #87

Why believe? bvf Aug 2014 #90

Why not believe? cbayer Aug 2014 #94

Believe whatever you like. bvf Aug 2014 #157

What part didn't I understand?? bvf Aug 2014 #89

Admit what? That killing others because their beliefs are different than yours cbayer Aug 2014 #93

bvf, you are needlessly combative and irritating. [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2014 #137

Address the arguments instead of attacking the person. n/t trotsky Aug 2014 #140

Really? bvf was given the official dismissed for being an idiot by cbayer Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #141

I didn't see that at all. [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2014 #143

That's because it's not there. okasha Aug 2014 #153

"If it's as simplistic as you say, it shouldn't be difficult to refute." LTX Aug 2014 #139

"how we treat other people" trotsky Aug 2014 #52

I left mainstream religion a long time ago but redstatebluegirl Aug 2014 #102

I agree with you and applaud you for being able to see the cbayer Aug 2014 #103

You are welcome, I see so many nasty comments here redstatebluegirl Aug 2014 #107

I am glad you found a UU church that concentrates on the positive. cbayer Aug 2014 #109

Thanks for the post. Many people of faith individually "see the world as generally a good place". pinto Aug 2014 #127

UU: does it even make it to 0.1% of christians in the US? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #142

+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Aug 2014 #162

Jesus was the biggest critic of religious ritual, the letter of the law instead of the orpupilofnature57 Aug 2014 #155

But then Jesus also said the opposite: he would not drop one "dot" or bit of the law, until the End Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #160

wHHAA? John 4.1 is about Discernment . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2014 #161

Correction: second person. Jesus refers to the "son of Man" as "he." Not "I." Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #163

Moses and his ego " perished in the wilderness ", Another word that We haven't mentioned, orpupilofnature57 Aug 2014 #164

When Jews perished in the wilderness, Paul added "now these things are lessons for us" Christians Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #165

Standing on faith gives you no basis to criticise the faith of someone else. enki23 Aug 2014 #166

You tell them from us that they Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #168