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saras

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17. Atheists can be defined as those who believe "religion equals belief in a single god"
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 01:42 PM
Mar 2012

...or they can be defined any number of ways, as can "religion", some better than others.

If you define religion as an organized group, with churches, teachings, publications, educational efforts, social events for their members - then SOME atheists are "religious", organizing themselves in basically the same way to push a different set of fundamental propositions about how to know the world. But many, maybe most, aren't - they just don't share the worldview attributed to the religious. But most important, you situate the question in an arena where statistics and social science methodology will decide. One approach is the academic discipline of liberal studies - what approach is appropriate if you have to successfully work with people holding a wide variety of beliefs?

Another approach is to define it by mental activity i.e. try to define what "belief" means on an individual level. But this separates believers from the religious, and opens a whole new institutional-sized can of worms.

I would suggest that, in general, the interpretive framework in which there is a single unchangeable physical universe, a single correct description of it approached by science, and a set of inferior alternative explanations involving something called "belief" is explicitly what is rejected by the religious, even those that don't believe in a god of any sort. From the perspective of religion, all of them offer interpretive frameworks, most suggesting the physical world exists but is insufficient for humanity, and materialist science appears to be a latecomer whose god is variously described as money, profit, efficiency, productivity, and by various other attributes, but is equally transcendent, omnipotent, and prone to human sacrifice.

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Atheism is a religion? [View all] cleanhippie Mar 2012 OP
Outstanding! CrispyQ Mar 2012 #1
Excellent! mr blur Mar 2012 #2
That's great. obxhead Mar 2012 #3
Stop with the logic already! Cirque du So-What Mar 2012 #4
It's a religion like... Ezlivin Mar 2012 #5
Not watching football at a family gathering is indeed a sport... Festivito Mar 2012 #11
For some people, it's certainly a hobby starroute Mar 2012 #6
Debate can be a hobby, billboard creation can be a hobby, creating cartoons can be a hobby, ZombieHorde Mar 2012 #20
Like not collecting stamps is a hobby (nt) pokerfan Mar 2012 #7
Actively avoiding the philatelic could be a hobby. Festivito Mar 2012 #10
If the shrieking Xtians would quit trying to contaminate politics pokerfan Mar 2012 #14
If shrieking money in politics would stop contaminating religions, we'd not have these issues. Festivito Mar 2012 #15
Cute. But, misstating -- as usual. Festivito Mar 2012 #8
false logic on a saturday morning. nt msongs Mar 2012 #13
I think the OP and cartoonist meant well, but, I agree. /nt Festivito Mar 2012 #16
If it helps you to feel better about yourself by saying that... cleanhippie Mar 2012 #18
Which part? Or, are you trying to make yourself feel BETTER. Festivito Mar 2012 #21
Nonsense! (nt) mr blur Mar 2012 #29
Oh, I think the cartoon had a little sense, not enough. But, okay. Festivito Mar 2012 #33
my face and my palm hurt now, thanks. n/t deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #48
I atheism is a religion Speck Tater Mar 2012 #9
There are areas of ocean that are deserts, Festivito Mar 2012 #12
Atheists can be defined as those who believe "religion equals belief in a single god" saras Mar 2012 #17
I hate to just dismiss your whole essay, but, Festivito Mar 2012 #23
More mental gymnastics of self-delusion. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #19
Funny how your post could be directed at yourself, or at me. Festivito Mar 2012 #22
Only on your part. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #24
So, your psychological projection only happens when responding to me? Festivito Mar 2012 #25
No, your psychological projection only happens when responding to me. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #26
Do you always sidestep discussions here on DU? Festivito Mar 2012 #27
Do you? cleanhippie Mar 2012 #28
Again, just to the personal, another ad hominem attack. Festivito Mar 2012 #30
Are you able to respond with more than just "I know you are, but what am I?" cleanhippie Mar 2012 #32
Interesting editing of prior post and even history of these posts. Festivito Mar 2012 #34
There *is* no real news around here. mr blur Mar 2012 #31
That doesn't follow with your sig line. Festivito Mar 2012 #35
I know I've said this before, and there always seem to be those that disagree, but... Speck Tater Mar 2012 #36
Well said. There is a distinct differene which Ihad not seen so clearly cbayer Mar 2012 #37
who gives a rat's ass ... GeorgeGist Mar 2012 #38
I think it may help DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #39
Sure, but only if baldness is a hair style n/t eridani Mar 2012 #40
Many men shave their heads bald as a style. Festivito Mar 2012 #42
You mean you can have a hairstyle without HAIR? n/t eridani Mar 2012 #43
Being without hair is the style. Festivito Mar 2012 #44
It pretty much requires hair. n/t eridani Mar 2012 #45
And a hair stylist. /nt Festivito Mar 2012 #46
Atheists don't believe in Allah either, so humblebum Mar 2012 #41
I can't tell if you missed the point or if you're making it... n/t deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #47
So believing in no religion... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #49
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