Religion

yodermon

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78. Religion is based on false premises.

Reply to Warren Stupidity (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 05:51 PM

Aug 2014

All logical implications based on false premises are, strange as it seems, logically true.
See "vacuous truth": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuous_truth

An example: "If George Bush is the current president, then I'm a monkey's uncle" is perfectly true.
Another: "If Jesus Christ rose from the dead, then you can believe and be saved" .. totally true!
"If I clear myself of all engrams, i will be restored to my natural thetan state" .. Awesome!

Logical implication truth table:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_table#Logical_implication

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The Greatest Fake Religion of All Time [View all] Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 OP

Hey, I still see the fnords n/t. malthaussen Aug 2014 #1

Huh, just like sports and wrestling. Some is real and some is fake. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #2

Fake wrestling can readily be determined to be fake. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #10

go tell a wrestler that it's fake Lordquinton Aug 2014 #22

That isn't what is fake about fake wrestling. The "competition" is fake. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #31

Agreed Lithos Aug 2014 #51

Good question edhopper Aug 2014 #3

Usually, critical thinking. rug Aug 2014 #4

Sorry, L Ron Hubbard gets the title intaglio Aug 2014 #5

Joseph Smith edhopper Aug 2014 #6

Yes, I'd say that Mormonism takes the lead on fake religions. gtar100 Aug 2014 #7

How is mormonism any more fake than catholicism? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #11

Aren't they all, at their base, fake? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #13

I certainly don't disagree. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #15

It isn't. It isn't even any more ridiculous, really. (nt) mr blur Aug 2014 #14

Good question. I'd say the true beginnings are lost to history, distorted by "official" stories and gtar100 Aug 2014 #23

It also comes down to the motives of the writers edhopper Aug 2014 #35

Proven falsehoods Al Carroll Aug 2014 #26

"such as stealing most of his book from someone else" trotsky Aug 2014 #28

The gospels are full of contradictory bullshit and errors. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #29

So that thing with crackers turning into Jesus body is real, huh? Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #52

It is just a matter of faith for some. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #54

Right -- thus the making fun of the post I responded too, Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #55

I know what you meant. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #59

Do you have... gcomeau Aug 2014 #79

I am not going to argue my faith with you. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #80

So no then. Thought so. -eom gcomeau Aug 2014 #81

I am not here to convince you. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #82

Clearly, since you have nothing to convince with. gcomeau Aug 2014 #97

You have a wonderful day. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #99

While I appreciate the sentiment... gcomeau Aug 2014 #101

Take it how you like but I am done. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #102

You would have to have started to be done... but whatever. -eom gcomeau Aug 2014 #111

Have a nice day. rug Aug 2014 #112

Have you ever decided something you believed in wasn't true edhopper Aug 2014 #56

My faith evolvesbut evidence based I would say no. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #60

How do you decide what parts of the Bible edhopper Aug 2014 #61

What makes sense to me. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #62

I am not talking about edhopper Aug 2014 #63

Wghat makes sense to me and biblicak scholarship to some extent. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #65

Hmm edhopper Aug 2014 #66

ok. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #67

Ah, the believer deus ex machina - get out of jail free card. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #84

Whatever. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #85

Do you deny that it ends further inquiry along those lines? AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #86

After what has been going on here the past few days I have no desire to argue. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #87

A shame. I was away for the last 4 days, so I'm just catching up. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #88

Did you enjoy yourself? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #89

I did. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #90

I hope you don't leave. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #92

Oh, I like the room. But I wonder if I spend too much time here. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #93

Welll it got interesting but insulting as well. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #94

To take a step back... AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #98

This room just got me down this week. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #100

How does one determine a fake religion? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #8

Aren't I supposed to fly off the handle due to your mere presence? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #9

That is up to you but it is a legit question. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #12

Yes, it is. gcomeau Aug 2014 #77

Quite simple... NeoGreen Aug 2014 #16

Please explain my friend? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #17

Give me context... NeoGreen Aug 2014 #18

never mind. I think I get your opinion. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #19

Here endth the lesson (nt) NeoGreen Aug 2014 #20

ok.n/t. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #21

If the claims are proven false Al Carroll Aug 2014 #27

How do you prove thetans don't exist? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #30

First of all, it's a religion. Iggo Aug 2014 #32

We well we disagree. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #33

Believers said religion is based on "faith," not fact. So logically: there is no real religion Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #24

Do you think religion exists? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #25

What about the belief in things that edhopper Aug 2014 #38

Like the earth being flat? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #48

Well I think the less vague edhopper Aug 2014 #50

I don't know how much is historically accurate. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #69

Well that is a discussion on what people find edhopper Aug 2014 #72

Religion exists. But it is not true. "Facts of faith" is oxymoronic; a logical selfcontradiction Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #76

No religion? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #34

Imagine? edhopper Aug 2014 #36

no. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #37

You might say I'm a dreamer edhopper Aug 2014 #39

Yes I know the song. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #40

And you don't like edhopper Aug 2014 #41

I like my religion. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #42

Why? amuse bouche Aug 2014 #104

Because it helps me to make some sense of life and it helps me to experience God. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #105

Sorry but that sounds like the same rote nonsense we were forced to regurgitate amuse bouche Aug 2014 #106

What is creepy is the fact is you only seem to post insults. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #107

I'm speaking my mind. Sorry, amuse bouche Aug 2014 #108

Well contrary to your opinion I can think for myself. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #109

Ok amuse bouche Aug 2014 #110

Why do you have to be like this? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #113

Why do you have to be like this? amuse bouche Aug 2014 #114

You asked me a question and I answered. You then insulted me. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #115

You call it insults. I call it constructive criticism amuse bouche Aug 2014 #117

Then there is no reason to continue this. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #118

There never was a reason to continue amuse bouche Aug 2014 #119

Your saying I am a Zombie? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #120

Can't even imagine it, huh? Iggo Aug 2014 #43

Why would I want to get rid of religion? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #44

Imagine that there's no religion. Just imagine it. Iggo Aug 2014 #45

"Imagine all the people edhopper Aug 2014 #46

Perhaps some day he'll join us. Iggo Aug 2014 #47

"Perhaps some day YOU will join us" cleanhippie Aug 2014 #91

I was paraphrasing. Iggo Aug 2014 #95

I know. Just poking a bit of fun. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #96

Would be overcrowded then. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #49

Exactly. What's more unbelievable? stopbush Aug 2014 #53

Many believe both edhopper Aug 2014 #57

How can any religion claim to be "real" procon Aug 2014 #58

The whole concept of religion originated with ancient kings to control the masses tularetom Aug 2014 #64

Don't you think edhopper Aug 2014 #68

The earliest evidence is neolithic, circa 7-1000 BCE. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #70

There are idols, edhopper Aug 2014 #73

Sure - but those only weakly establish "religion" as in Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #74

I don't know edhopper Aug 2014 #75

Yeah, to explain weather and natural phenomena they probably did tularetom Aug 2014 #71

Religion is based on false premises. yodermon Aug 2014 #78

Ok, they are all fake. JNelson6563 Aug 2014 #83

Of course Scientology and Mormonism are fraudulent amuse bouche Aug 2014 #103

Still posting by bumper stickers I see. rug Aug 2014 #116