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305. Religious entitlement to what?

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Does anyone here think there is too much religious entitlement here on DU? [View all] Starboard Tack Aug 2014 OP

My answer is no. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #1

Nope n/t intaglio Aug 2014 #2

it is an issue here Lordquinton Aug 2014 #3

Often called hate speech? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #4

yes. Lordquinton Aug 2014 #8

The attacks are not one sided here. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #9

ok, examples? Lordquinton Aug 2014 #10

Iplying we are deluded. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #12

From the atheist perspective religion is a delusion. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #16

"So it is only your specific beliefs that you think ought to be held above reproach" hrmjustin Aug 2014 #17

I have no idea what you said there. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #22

Oh Lord Warren I was laughing at a joke! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #24

You were publicly mocking another poster's beliefs. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #25

Entitlement? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #30

What garbage..Many atheists mock the beliefs of religious people for sport. whathehell Aug 2014 #212

exactly my point. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #233

No, I don't think so.. whathehell Aug 2014 #236

Try reading that thread. That line was mocking the op's beliefs, and justin was LMFAO Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #237

I think the point of the op was to sY that the number 12pops up in religions too often. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #239

No the op is promoting a religious belief, ASTROTHEOLOGY, whatever the fuck that is, Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #243

Wow I did not know this. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #244

Numerology isn't a religion. okasha Aug 2014 #241

It is to the op: "ASTROTHEOLOGY". Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #242

Wrong again. okasha Aug 2014 #246

There you go: "may be a religion but I doubt it". Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #247

The op has never called astrotheology a religion. okasha Aug 2014 #249

I get your drift, but whathehell Aug 2014 #253

I'm afraid he doesn't. rug Aug 2014 #26

If that's what you think, why do you bother even trying to speak to us? Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #19

I will always say at least he is honest. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #20

It is difficult. I am somewhat fascinated by Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #27

I am fascinated by flameouts. rug Aug 2014 #29

It is such a privilege to amuse you that way. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #42

The currency has in god we trust on it. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #98

Amusement? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #102

First, the question was about in the Religion forum, not society at large. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #133

It seems some here have actually forgotten what the original question was and they can't provide hrmjustin Aug 2014 #134

"it"? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #136

Figure of speech warren and you know that. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #137

No it isn't. It is you being intentionally insulting. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #139

Then alert and see if 7 others agree with you. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #141

Your manufactured outrage would be disgusting okasha Aug 2014 #208

somebody edited their post before its timeout expired. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #209

Huh? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #210

You alerted on my post? if yes I would like to see the results if you have them. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #213

So would I. okasha Aug 2014 #216

Did he say he alerted? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #217

Neither did I. okasha Aug 2014 #218

He probably didn't but I think it was unfair he accused me of something I did not do. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #219

It was something you so obviously didn't do okasha Aug 2014 #220

Justin fumble fingers posts all the time. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #222

huh? no I generally don't pull weaselly stunts like that. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #221

Well I think it is wrong to accuse somebody of something they clearly didn't do. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #224

I don't know if you did or didn't. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #226

Remind me of which appauling behavior please. and I accept your apology. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #227

Oh seriously Justin? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #229

Iam sorry but you are saying I did something and you want an apology. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #230

Not as disgusting as your mastery of syntax, or lack thereof. rug Aug 2014 #169

So do you agree that religious privilege is pervasive in society? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #135

The question is about privilege on DU. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #143

So we live in a society permeated with religious privilege, just not here. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #228

So we are just supposed to be silent when you say we are delusional? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #232

So that "obvious atheist viewpoint" is above Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #235

many of us come from a religious background Lordquinton Aug 2014 #34

What signs are those, and when did I say Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #41

this is reducing it to the personal Lordquinton Aug 2014 #45

Ok, so what are the signs you mentioned Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #46

it's like pornography Lordquinton Aug 2014 #47

That sounds like Dorian Gray Aug 2014 #93

Well, we atheists believe that many aheists... stone space Aug 2014 #59

What does this have to do with the OP? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #67

No, that is your perspective. rug Aug 2014 #28

I think you do not understand what an atheist is. stone space Aug 2014 #33

You noticed that too? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #85

Go look at a definition Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #109

Definition? Meh, words can mean whatever we want them to mean when we need them to. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #114

It's Warren who needs the dictionary. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #119

If you don't believe in the existence of supernatural whatsits, what do you view the belief of AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #292

so you think gods are real but you don't believe in them? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #91

What I think doesn't matter. stone space Aug 2014 #125

Wrong again Warren Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #69

Oh dear amuse bouche Aug 2014 #110

Love often clouds reason. rug Aug 2014 #170

Seems you confuse easily amuse bouche Aug 2014 #214

I'm not the one saying I'm in love. rug Aug 2014 #234

" I'm not the one saying I'm in love" amuse bouche Aug 2014 #256

At least not with Warren. rug Aug 2014 #303

"From the atheist perspective religion is a delusion". Please -- Many go FAR beyond stating whathehell Aug 2014 #127

I once saw a post here that had a crucified Christ with rockets on him. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #128

Oh yes..It gets even worse than that, though they are "careful" for some reason, not to mock whathehell Aug 2014 #131

Well Christians get it more becuse we are the majority religion here. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #132

Yes, it's the majority religion of the country, whathehell Aug 2014 #197

Untrue. I am an equal opportunity denier. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #294

It may be "untrue" as to your actions -- Not so as to others, and besides, whathehell Aug 2014 #322

Judaism is the only group that scores higher than atheists for AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #325

Wow..So it seems you can be an atheist AND a bigoted homophobe whathehell Aug 2014 #326

Apparently you didn't read or understand my post if that was your takeaway. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #328

If Jews rank HIGHER than atheists on accepting same sex marriage, what whathehell Aug 2014 #330

No, this. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #331

Your MO of "moving the goal posts" is becoming clear.. whathehell Aug 2014 #352

You could have just said 'I missed that line, no worries'. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #353

Well, sure, I could tell lies to flatter your ego.. whathehell Aug 2014 #377

Smileys arent much of a defense mechanism. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #379

No, & neither are straw men. You don't take rejection well, do you? whathehell Aug 2014 #380

You won't be missed. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #384

+1 burnsei sensei Aug 2014 #307

Thank you. n/t whathehell Aug 2014 #317

Mild fatwa envy on your part Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #357

That must be it.. whathehell Aug 2014 #376

I must be humor deficient as well, since I see nothing 'funny' about crucifixion -- whathehell Aug 2014 #199

Yeah it really as a disgusting post. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #200

Yes, the hate and INTOLERANCE stands in quite a bit of contrast to, not only the DU Rules, whathehell Aug 2014 #204

No the admins are fair to both sides because I have dealt with them and seen it. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #205

But as you said, whathehell Aug 2014 #206

The admins leave that to the hosts. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #207

Okay, I've got you there. whathehell Aug 2014 #211

Oh please. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #295

Please, my ass -- I've seen PLENTY of anti-theist vitriol all over DU whathehell Aug 2014 #315

You are blind if you think religion and politics don't intersect on a daily basis in this nation. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #319

I never said it didn't or that I would EVER be in favor of that intersection.. whathehell Aug 2014 #324

Can you name names? AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #327

That sounds like a nice cartoon to caption amuse bouche Aug 2014 #257

Not my taste. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #258

I wouldn't be concerned about those who look down on you, Justin Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #123

Thank you my friend! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #124

"Those who look down on you are standing on shaky ladders and riding in hot air balloons." amuse bouche Aug 2014 #282

What crowd do you imagine that to be? cbayer Aug 2014 #287

Use you magical thinking and figure it out amuse bouche Aug 2014 #299

I don't have any magical thinking, but if that is what you used to reach this baseless cbayer Aug 2014 #300

Est-ce vous vous �tes bien amus�s, M. Bouche Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #291

Who are you kidding? amuse bouche Aug 2014 #296

Honte � moi ! Je pensais que vous soyez fran�ais Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #306

You are easily confused? amuse bouche Aug 2014 #312

Mais oui. Particuli�rement quand je mange amuse-bouche avant le filet mignon. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #335

Hot air balloons work on demonstrable, falsifiable principles. Also, they exist. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #297

True, but even so, they are pretty useless. cbayer Aug 2014 #311

They are a means to access perpectives for which your feet can't otherwise take you. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #316

Yep, that would be just about their only purpose. cbayer Aug 2014 #318

Those looking crosswise at you are riding recumbent bicyles and standing on trembling goldfinches. enki23 Aug 2014 #366

You remind me very much of this character, and i like it. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #368

Yes..That is exactly what they do, but they don't limit it to that.. whathehell Aug 2014 #129

Who cares what someone else thinks of your beliefs? Marrah_G Aug 2014 #407

I agree that christians are largely protected and privilege in the US, but I will cbayer Aug 2014 #411

Like the time I told someone here Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #15

+100 n/t whathehell Aug 2014 #126

Clearly there are some disagreements here about the catholic church. cbayer Aug 2014 #61

Link? cbayer Aug 2014 #60

well, there is one post in this thread calling critism of the pope and his church bigotry Lordquinton Aug 2014 #396

I don't see either of those posts. Could you give me links? cbayer Aug 2014 #405

Generally the privileged are blind to their Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #5

very true Lordquinton Aug 2014 #11

Not that I've noticed Prophet 451 Aug 2014 #6

Exactly! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #7

Jackpot! okasha Aug 2014 #21

Thank you! NaturalHigh Aug 2014 #88

good post Gothmog Aug 2014 #96

We've got a winner! whathehell Aug 2014 #387

Not at all. If anything, it skews the other way here. rug Aug 2014 #13

However ... CountAllVotes Aug 2014 #31

Can't disagree. Which is why I think it skews in general the other way. rug Aug 2014 #32

Catholocism isn't a race, and the RCC meddles directly in US politics. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #301

I don't think there's any "entitlement" or privilege whatsoever. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #14

At least get the argument right. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #18

and you provide an example right here Lordquinton Aug 2014 #36

Oh, I don't think that those who shit on religions are necessarily athiests. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #38

Atheism obviously has a PR problem. stone space Aug 2014 #122

Where do you get the idea that there is a difference when it comes to jury decisions? cbayer Aug 2014 #68

Have you yourself served on a DU "Religion" section jury? Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #74

Yes. Why? cbayer Aug 2014 #75

Were you jurying a discussion in which you had been a participant? Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #77

You are not called to jury in any thread in which you are participating. cbayer Aug 2014 #78

Partially. Though regular posters are all in effect, in an extended conversation, from week to week Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #79

You also have the option of blocking some members from ever being cbayer Aug 2014 #80

I have been merely asking questions; I wish to make no point before fuller investigation. Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #83

In order to do this, you would need data which you do not have access to. cbayer Aug 2014 #86

Except? Note that random selection of a jury is likely to get 78% Christians. And more believers. Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #87

No, there is a huge fault in your argument. cbayer Aug 2014 #90

Even if DU members were not typically religious, the % would likely be more than 50%. Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #142

Meh, until you show me data, I will maintain that there is not cbayer Aug 2014 #146

I very strongly suspect professional statistics WILL support this Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #153

Prove it and get back to me. cbayer Aug 2014 #154

This is interesting numbers that don't prove much but it is related info. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #157

add up all 15 or so religion related boards here and get back Lordquinton Aug 2014 #174

I will take a look but you might be right but there might be a large overlap. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #176

Where did you get that number 15 or so? cbayer Aug 2014 #179

admittedly i guessed from memory Lordquinton Aug 2014 #255

Where are you getting 14? There are 7, and some of those overlap cbayer Aug 2014 #261

The "Religion" section on DU includes 12 groups; at least 10 of them are religious Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #264

Does the math get you to 15 or even 14 using your criteria? cbayer Aug 2014 #267

You do realize most of those groups get little traffic? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #273

Note that cbayer is asserting that her unsupported statistical assumptions are correct Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #223

A related, darker point: the "privileged" status of defenders of the faith, like (Dr?) cbayer (MD?) Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #181

I suppose that any straight person who... stone space Aug 2014 #190

Yes, these are terrible ethical dilemmas. cbayer Aug 2014 #194

"This position statement from Ms. cbayer represents an extremely problematic ethics position " Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #225

Usually those who advocate for those with mental illness, are not advocating the illness itself. Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #263

What I meant to say is that there's no accounting for consistency or reliability with juries. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #117

Ah, I see. cbayer Aug 2014 #118

We might all be using different definitions for the term "religious entitlement." ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #23

That's an opinion. How does that equal privilege or entitlement? cbayer Aug 2014 #66

Religion is internal. Faith is very personal. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #167

I disagree. I think it is important to be able to distinguish between a cult and a religion. cbayer Aug 2014 #171

I don't understand your position. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #180

I disagree with your premise. cbayer Aug 2014 #183

I don't think I udnerstand your position. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #185

I think cults are potentially more dangerous. cbayer Aug 2014 #188

Why not just judge each group individually, ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #189

I hope that judging each group individually is what I do. cbayer Aug 2014 #193

How would you feel if someone used the word "religion" for belief systems they don't like? ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #195

I don't think I understand your question. cbayer Aug 2014 #196

Yes, but you don't seem to care for that behavior. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #198

I don't like thoughtless generalizations that are meant only to attack someone for their cbayer Aug 2014 #201

Calling cults bad is a thoughtless generalization. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #202

This is where we differ. cbayer Aug 2014 #203

I use the sociological distinction. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #240

That's an interesting perspective, but I still think that the term cult cbayer Aug 2014 #260

"is there is cause to believe that atheism will meet the criteria of a religion" ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #281

But there are branches or subsets within the atheism community that cbayer Aug 2014 #284

Yes, such as Zen Buddhism. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #313

That is the best example, I agree. cbayer Aug 2014 #314

This is interesting and I agree. Here are some things I would add. eomer Aug 2014 #437

I'm not sure I would include dangerousness in my defintion, though cbayer Aug 2014 #439

Right, I think the more interesting discussion is about the substance, not the semantics. eomer Aug 2014 #444

You make an excellent point, and I think maybe the distinction of dangerousness is valid at times. cbayer Aug 2014 #445

I don't really see that as a form of "religious entitlement." Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #94

No. Tolerance is a progressive trait. Intolerance is for wingnuts. MADem Aug 2014 #35

What about the atheists here who insult believers? is that entitlement? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #37

no it's not Lordquinton Aug 2014 #39

maybe you should go look it up again. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #40

I know what privlige is Lordquinton Aug 2014 #43

the conversation is at an end because of your dismissive behavior. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #44

I have not been dismissive. Lordquinton Aug 2014 #48

Post 39 was rather dismissive to me and I will not respond continue if I am dismissed. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #49

pretty much every one of your posts has been dismissive Lordquinton Aug 2014 #50

Which one of mine. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #51

most of them Lordquinton Aug 2014 #57

What about you? Do you realize how dismissive your posts are? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #58

how? Lordquinton Aug 2014 #62

Telling me to look up an issue before I continue talking. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #95

because you clearly don't understand the issue Lordquinton Aug 2014 #177

Yes it is insulting and dismissive and I think I am done going back and forth with you. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #178

I think some do feel entitiled, the "delusionists" I call them. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #70

Do you think gods are real? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #92

Of course. They are real to those who believe in them. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #97

Nice avoidance. Do you think gods exist in reality, not as ideas in people's minds. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #115

No avoidance at all Warren. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #120

Do you think that the number "5" is real? stone space Aug 2014 #182

another avoidance. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #186

Nice avoidance. stone space Aug 2014 #187

Does the King of the Leprechauns exist? eomer Aug 2014 #436

No, not I. pinto Aug 2014 #52

The problem, as always, is that entitlement is completely invisible to people who have it. Warpy Aug 2014 #53

You are absolutely right and it cuts both ways. cbayer Aug 2014 #63

except the privlige here is from the real world Lordquinton Aug 2014 #71

You are right. There is privilege and discrimination and outright bigotry in the real world. cbayer Aug 2014 #72

But this was about DU not the real world. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #99

That's not what happened Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #108

This thread is an example of what, precisely? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #76

Actually the thread title itself is self incriminating. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #231

Good point. He even read the A&A thread wrong. Warpy Aug 2014 #245

Yes (nt) malokvale77 Aug 2014 #54

Those saying there is no privilege Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #55

Ok help me to see where we are wrong. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #56

Maybe because it's in the religion group? Prophet 451 Aug 2014 #64

Really? All believers? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #73

I hope you aren't counting you. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #138

I'm going to need a translator for that one. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #151

What does this mean? stone space Aug 2014 #271

Religious privilege means there is some kind of advantage to be religious cbayer Aug 2014 #65

Well for example you have to be overtly god-smacked to run for president Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #160

Who on DU is running for President? rug Aug 2014 #172

Thank You...Religion is certainly NOT a privilege on DU. n/t whathehell Aug 2014 #254

For just one, but a relevant one, the vast majority of jury members will be sympathetic to you. enki23 Aug 2014 #288

And you base this on what exactly? cbayer Aug 2014 #289

On overwhelming population statistics. enki23 Aug 2014 #290

You are making an assumption that may or may not be valid. cbayer Aug 2014 #293

If you have no strong evidence in favor of your prima facie extremely unlikely hypothesis, enki23 Aug 2014 #358

I have no strong evidence in support of my hypothesis that there is intelligent life cbayer Aug 2014 #370

That's a fairly representative example right there. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2014 #402

What claim did I make? cbayer Aug 2014 #406

Come on. Really? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2014 #413

You would know it if I were trying to insult you. cbayer Aug 2014 #414

"Resorting to personal attacks"? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2014 #415

"Addressed"? This word� I don't think it means what you think it means. cbayer Aug 2014 #416

It means "to deal with or discuss" Act_of_Reparation Aug 2014 #419

If I have misinterpreted what you have said, then I appreciate your trying to make it clearer to me. cbayer Aug 2014 #420

I do identify as an antitheist, yes. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2014 #421

We do not define the word the same way. cbayer Aug 2014 #422

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with any of that. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2014 #424

I think it would certainly tip towards the bad for you, but that's just you. cbayer Aug 2014 #431

When posters from religious groups can go in the safe haven of athiests amuse bouche Aug 2014 #81

So when posters from non-believing groups can go in the safe cbayer Aug 2014 #82

The difference being Rainforestgoddess Aug 2014 #140

Rubbish. There is no difference. cbayer Aug 2014 #144

The juries felt it was hide worthy. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #145

Which just proves religious privilege n/t Rainforestgoddess Aug 2014 #148

lol, no it proves it is hide worthy. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #149

No, it doesn't. Are you saying that DU'ers are so blinded by their religious cbayer Aug 2014 #150

Wanted to add Rainforestgoddess Aug 2014 #158

What? There is clearly tribalism going on here, and cbayer Aug 2014 #163

Oh, I feel all knight in shining armour - y! Rainforestgoddess Aug 2014 #164

Lol! I know you to be a good person, rfg. cbayer Aug 2014 #165

And is not the status "safe haven" a form of entitlement, in and of itself? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #84

"And is not the status "safe haven" a form of entitlement, in and of itself?" amuse bouche Aug 2014 #104

So you do not condone the behavior of those who feel entitled to abuse it's status? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #113

It is, in the same sense that "the black leadership caucus" is a form of entitlement. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #116

Oh, this is cute. You're now comparing A&A to "the black leadership caucus". rug Aug 2014 #173

This sounds like an administrative issue than an entitlement issue. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #100

Administarative issue? I disagree amuse bouche Aug 2014 #103

Well then you risk hidden posts. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #105

"Well then you risk hidden posts." amuse bouche Aug 2014 #106

Does that apply to all safe havens? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #107

I would rather have a garden full of flowers, so removing the weeds is what one must do. cbayer Aug 2014 #112

So you missed the part where the delicate flowers have no spine amuse bouche Aug 2014 #215

Delicate flowers are precious. Why are you so disturbed by them? cbayer Aug 2014 #259

Delicate flowers is a euphemism amuse bouche Aug 2014 #269

Oh, no!! A euphemism? That is way, way too complex for me. cbayer Aug 2014 #270

"Oh, no!! A euphemism? That is way, way too complex for me" amuse bouche Aug 2014 #272

KKK, homophobes and religious believers? You actually see these things as similar. cbayer Aug 2014 #274

Just a big wow to me as well. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #275

Ah, I see the similarity! cbayer Aug 2014 #276

After the last few days here I am beginning to feel less welcome. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #277

You will never be welcome here by some. cbayer Aug 2014 #278

I will probably take another break from this room again soon but not today. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #279

"See how that works?" amuse bouche Aug 2014 #280

I don't believe in magic, do you? cbayer Aug 2014 #283

No I do not believe in magic, amuse bouche Aug 2014 #285

No, you detest (your word) people who believe in god. cbayer Aug 2014 #286

How odd. stone space Aug 2014 #355

You didn't answer my question. cbayer Aug 2014 #111

No. NaturalHigh Aug 2014 #89

My answer is a definite, no. eom BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #101

I notice the how we are entitled here has not been answered. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #121

Because nobody here is any more entitled than anyone else. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #156

Well said! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #159

Don't forget the 11th commandment SecularMotion Aug 2014 #130

Oh, I thought it was "Thou shall not post absolute rubbish in an attempt to flame bait". cbayer Aug 2014 #147

I live by it, and the 12th Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #152

slack-jawed creationist and godbothering trolls get the boot quick--other trolls don't MisterP Aug 2014 #155

For example? What kind of trolls don't? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #161

Well the answer to your original question is "yes" some people do. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #162

Yes, of course some do. We knew that. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #168

Gee, all of those groups are discriminated against because of a currect intellectual opinion. rug Aug 2014 #175

Wow, I haven't personally noticed that. I hope there would not be. agbdf Aug 2014 #166

I am curious what do those of you who think there is religious entitlement want to happen? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #184

An excellent question. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #191

I don't post ops anymore here and some have me on ignore. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #192

I don't see religious entitlement here so much, but in the real world, there most definitely is. Marrah_G Aug 2014 #408

what is religious entitlement? underthematrix Aug 2014 #238

Yes... MellowDem Aug 2014 #248

We are not saying religion should not face criticism. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #250

Many are complaining about just that... MellowDem Aug 2014 #251

The way the criticism is presented also matters. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #252

If the Pope came here and expressed homophobic beliefs he would be attacked Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #302

And the jury has spoken on white privilege... MellowDem Aug 2014 #329

Yeah, but we weren't discussing white privilege or conservatives, were we? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #334

A jury of randomly selected people says nothing.... MellowDem Aug 2014 #341

The pope is attacked and praised here. It is callsd debating! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #342

He wouldn't be praised at all... MellowDem Aug 2014 #344

And we debate it here. That is what we do here. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #345

No doubt... MellowDem Aug 2014 #346

Please explain one bigot to another? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #347

The Pope vs Michele Bachman, for example... MellowDem Aug 2014 #367

What makes you think I rely on that jury decision? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #348

What prejudice against believers? MellowDem Aug 2014 #369

I don't see any outrage, offense, and flabbergasted horror in your example. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #373

I'm not rehashing other threads... MellowDem Aug 2014 #397

No, it wasn't Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #399

You at least tried addressing the points... MellowDem Aug 2014 #403

I address points all the time when points are made Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #409

Regarding your second link Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #374

The poster criticizes religion... MellowDem Aug 2014 #398

Not labeled a bigot, but called to explain what appeared to be a broad brush attack Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #400

No, it was labelled bigotry... MellowDem Aug 2014 #404

Show me an example where criticizing an idea was labeled "bigotry" Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #412

In the post I just cited... MellowDem Aug 2014 #430

I disagree Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #432

Some people think Islam is a greater threat than other religions... MellowDem Aug 2014 #434

Fascists are bigots by definition Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #435

You interpret defending one's personal faith as "privilege"? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #262

America some say, is as high as 78% Christian; c. 85% religious Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #265

Admittedly, it does. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #266

And you are right about the "safe havens" amounting to privilege. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #268

+1 rug Aug 2014 #321

Well, I guess the answer is a resounding NO! Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #298

Very telling. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #304

Isn't it? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #308

The other post survived 2 to 5. I don't have the results anymore but someone sent it to me. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #310

Atheists made their point with literally dozens of academic quotes supplied Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #332

Noyou did not. the question was about DU, not the wider world. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #333

Watch out, he's invoking "Freud himself". rug Aug 2014 #336

Maybe the jury realized that the first post Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #337

Yeah, and maybe the earth is really flat. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #338

Couple things about the world of education since you were in it. Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #339

Thanks for the update. LOL Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #340

I often use a blackboard. stone space Aug 2014 #343

Where do you teach? Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #349

This message was self-deleted by its author stone space Aug 2014 #350

Sounds like you support the hide. stone space Aug 2014 #351

Religious entitlement to what? burnsei sensei Aug 2014 #305

Entitlement to have their beliefs considered a delusion and a sign... stone space Aug 2014 #309

Apparently, some members think that our religious brethren feel entitled in some way Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #418

No, not at all. nt TM99 Aug 2014 #320

You notice it still hasn't been proven. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #323

As usual, the Christians have the burden of evidence exactly backward enki23 Aug 2014 #359

Oh, brother. Put my on that exclusive list too. rug Aug 2014 #360

If someone is claiming religious privilege exists here then they have the burden to prove it. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #361

Yes. I believe you actually think that. enki23 Aug 2014 #362

I still notice you aee not howing how religious privilege is here at du. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #363

Jesus. enki23 Aug 2014 #364

What about him? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #365

Maybe they'll call him a nominal atheist. rug Aug 2014 #381

Let's try a little logic here and let's also try to stay civil cbayer Aug 2014 #372

The fiction that you are worth responding to? cbayer Aug 2014 #371

You know I wonder if some here think they whole thing went overboard and want to pull back a bit. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #354

I think it's an interesting conversation. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #356

I'm confused (not surprising as it's still early here) Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #375

There have been about the pope. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #378

I think you make a really good point about posts about the pope. cbayer Aug 2014 #383

How about this as an example of privilege here Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #382

I believe this is inaccurate. stone space Aug 2014 #385

I made no bigoted attacks on religion Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #386

I've seen you both in action. (nt) stone space Aug 2014 #388

And I've seen you in action. Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #389

I've posted in AA and I've posted in interfaith. stone space Aug 2014 #390

So you're not going to talk about the privilege in the SOP wording. Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #391

It sounded like "let's you and him fight" to me. stone space Aug 2014 #392

Hey! WTF do I have to do with this? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #401

You have made an interesting point here but I will tell you my reasoning. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #393

I appreciate that. Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #394

Your welcome. as I said you gave the only example where it could be seen as that but hrmjustin Aug 2014 #395

Justin, a little motherly advice Marrah_G Aug 2014 #410

I let this whole thing get md down so I need to grow a thicker skin and understand that some who hrmjustin Aug 2014 #423

hugs you Marrah_G Aug 2014 #425

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What does 'show scorn to' even mean? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #428

No not t all. people who make clear that they find religion a joke would not do well in interfaith. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #438

Slightly more confused. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #440

Interfaith is a group that discusses religion and non-belief but the rule is you can not put down hrmjustin Aug 2014 #441

I guess I'll have to pay closer attention to which Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #442

We don't post a lot of ops but we have a few and people of faith and no faith are welcome. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #443

I think that there is too much atheist entitlement here. stone space Aug 2014 #417

Do we get free stuff if we claim to be religious? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #427

You might get a pin here. rug Aug 2014 #429

Maybe you get a knitted sweater if you claim not to. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #433