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phil89

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126. Irrational beliefs are not to be respected

Reply to Htom Sirveaux (Reply #67)

Tue Aug 19, 2014, 12:24 PM

Aug 2014

Especially when they lead someone to support oppressive institutions like religion.

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Understanding religious delusion [View all] SecularMotion Aug 2014 OP

Unfortunately, a serious analysis of this can never be had. trotsky Aug 2014 #1

They hate the comparison phil89 Aug 2014 #3

Relevant comic: trotsky Aug 2014 #4

Cartoons so bolster an argument. rug Aug 2014 #21

sad that so called progressives can bash believers so easily yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #110

Sad that simply pointing out a plain reality... gcomeau May 2015 #165

Why are you posting something from so long ago? yeoman6987 May 2015 #168

It bumped to the top of the page when someone else replied to it. gcomeau May 2015 #169

Cool. I would imagine a similar story will appear yeoman6987 May 2015 #170

A serious analysis? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #19

Here's one. On Cognitive Neuropsychiatry seeing religion as "delusion"; add this to dozens in DU Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #123

And what exactly do you conclude from this BG? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #129

It often happened in history that whole peoples were wrong in their beliefs; and disaster resulted Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #133

Well, guess what? Disasters are happening right now Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #149

some are intentionally designed to manipulate, isolate, and divide. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #158

I have no problem with anyone who would have that viewpoint Marrah_G Aug 2014 #156

I see Santa Claus as a contemlorary variation okasha May 2015 #161

100% correct phil89 Aug 2014 #2

Desiring not to be laughed at or considered crazy is now "special treatment"? Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #16

Religion gets special treatment (or maybe consideration is a better term) phil89 Aug 2014 #63

Sounds like a religious exclusivism problem Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #67

My friends who are vegan Dorian Gray Aug 2014 #100

No kidding! chervilant Aug 2014 #102

Xtom: religious extremists and destructive people are empowered by your liberal religion Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #103

You sound like a conservative arguing that we can't have tolerance for LGBT people Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #130

I have been politically and socially active for Civil Rights, equality, all my life. Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #136

That's the risk of freedom, isn't it? Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #142

Irrational beliefs are not to be respected phil89 Aug 2014 #126

What determines what is irrational and what is not. cbayer Aug 2014 #132

Similar question to you, cbayer. trotsky Aug 2014 #138

Sweet Jesus in Heaven, this tripe gets old. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #140

No, it wouldn't be more pleasant phil89 May 2015 #157

I am seriously curious. Why did you kick a thread from 9 months ago? cbayer May 2015 #164

So what should a believer like myself take away from this? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #5

That you believe in myths and fairy tales. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #6

Burn the libraries. Ban Homer and the Bros Grimm and HC Anderson Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #22

Why would I support that? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #58

Just be happy edhopper Aug 2014 #66

Well that is a plus. Always look on the bright side of life. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #70

Why would you support that? I have no idea Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #97

Opposed to myths and fairy tales? Not at all. Love them. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #122

Why do they have to admit that to you? You're not the Inquisition. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #124

If you are indeed an atheist sammythecat Aug 2014 #134

Oh, my God! stone space Aug 2014 #135

Lol! rug Aug 2014 #139

That's it? sammythecat Aug 2014 #145

ack! duplicate post. (nt) stone space Aug 2014 #146

What exactly do you want me to be afraid of? stone space Aug 2014 #147

Well, sorry to disappoint you, but I don't. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #143

How nice for you you never experienced it. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #159

"I'm an atheist and I don't care diddleysquat about religion" cleanhippie Aug 2014 #141

Makes two of us. Would ya believe it? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #144

That doesn't make two of us. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #148

I care about people like you CH Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #150

You keep telling yourself that. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #151

No, I'm telling you. That's why I'm here, for people like you. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #152

If someone has to "keep it honest" cleanhippie Aug 2014 #154

Now, now! You know I don't believe in "hell". Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #155

That you are free to believe as you wish, as am I, but neither of us napi21 Aug 2014 #79

That is a good point. I wish some here would take this to heart. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #80

Hasn't mankind advanced edhopper Aug 2014 #82

Challenge them all you want, but if you do not have any evidence cbayer Aug 2014 #94

Are you saying there are edhopper Aug 2014 #111

Of course I am not saying that. cbayer Aug 2014 #113

I guess we have a different idea edhopper Aug 2014 #115

Burden of proof only applies if someone is trying to prove something. cbayer Aug 2014 #119

Who is trying to change you? The only chastising I see going on around here is against cbayer Aug 2014 #93

What a total bunch of useless crap cbayer Aug 2014 #7

Agreed. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #8

I mean, sometimes the depths that some people will go to cbayer Aug 2014 #9

I would really like to know what the point we are supposed to take away from this is. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #10

The only point to take away from this is that some people are so cbayer Aug 2014 #11

Yep. it is highly insulting. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #12

No, it's not insulting. cbayer Aug 2014 #13

Yes better descriptions. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #14

What do you disagree with about it, and why? phil89 Aug 2014 #64

It's total crap. Do you agree with it? And why? cbayer Aug 2014 #88

What makes this content "crap?" trotsky Aug 2014 #20

It looks like the site's been inactive for three years. rug Aug 2014 #24

Typical flame bait bullshit. TM99 Aug 2014 #15

And I can predict now who will recommend this crap. cbayer Aug 2014 #17

You rang? immoderate Aug 2014 #29

Yep, middle school is just about where I would put it. cbayer Aug 2014 #30

But people believe it. immoderate Aug 2014 #34

It stems from hierarchical self esteem. Maedhros Aug 2014 #56

That is exactly it. Sad, isn't it? cbayer Aug 2014 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author cbayer Aug 2014 #95

Maybe we can ban them all, right? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #71

Pseudoscience is an equal opportunity desease. stone space Aug 2014 #26

Dumpster diving again? Is that the best you can do? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #18

I hate hit and run threads. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #23

That's pretty much his MO, unfortunately Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #25

I've never in 60+ years met anyone who tried to "convert" me to Santa Clause. pinto Aug 2014 #27

My parents tried to convert me to Santa Clause. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #28

OMG!!! Child abuse. Someone call the authorities!! cbayer Aug 2014 #31

Ha! I did the same to my kids. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #33

I am also guilty! cbayer Aug 2014 #35

LOL. We had Christmas on Christmas eve. pinto Aug 2014 #39

As a child, my parents would make a real overnight story about it. cbayer Aug 2014 #41

Try growing up Jewish. You get DEconverted ASAP. immoderate Aug 2014 #32

How do jewish families deal with the idea of santa claus? cbayer Aug 2014 #36

I'm also curious about this. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #37

It is so pervasive. cbayer Aug 2014 #38

When I was 8 or 9 years old, ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #40

I don't know when I realized that santa didn't actually exist, but it was gentle cbayer Aug 2014 #42

I wasn't sad. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #48

That is most likely how it went down for me as well. cbayer Aug 2014 #50

indeed, it is almost like our culture is saturated with religiosity. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #60

The same way we look edhopper Aug 2014 #43

Well, did you know that is how most christian families deal with it too. cbayer Aug 2014 #44

Yes edhopper Aug 2014 #45

Santa claus and jesus are two very different things. cbayer Aug 2014 #46

Well i don't find them equivalent edhopper Aug 2014 #47

Stories, fables, allegory - they are only meaningful if they mean something to you. cbayer Aug 2014 #49

"Who am I, or you, to ridicule those that believe in them or draw meaning from them?" trotsky Aug 2014 #54

Some people edhopper Aug 2014 #55

Caring about what might be true or factual is dandy if there cbayer Aug 2014 #86

"I maintain that religious beliefs are not inconstant with endorsing scientific advancements." edhopper Aug 2014 #112

I am quite aware of the conflicts and struggles between science and religion. cbayer Aug 2014 #116

fair enough edhopper Aug 2014 #118

How are they different? phil89 Aug 2014 #65

If you don't know how they are different, I can't really help you. cbayer Aug 2014 #89

So you don't have an answer phil89 Aug 2014 #127

No, pretty much everyone has the answer. cbayer Aug 2014 #131

For one Jewish family I know, okasha Aug 2014 #68

Now, that's a cool solution. cbayer Aug 2014 #91

It varies. I was an early skeptic so I didn't have to transition. immoderate Aug 2014 #73

I like the hanukkah bush idea. cbayer Aug 2014 #92

Hit and run insult. NaturalHigh Aug 2014 #51

But apparently effective flame bait. cbayer Aug 2014 #52

Yeah, gotta give him that. NaturalHigh Aug 2014 #53

Effective flamebait? SecularMotion Aug 2014 #59

nonononono our posts are flamebait, their posts are well reasoned informative discussions. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #61

Actuslly no one could give a good reason why they think it does exist here on DU. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #62

That's right. The best that could be said was there is religious entitlement in the country in toto. rug Aug 2014 #74

Sounds like sour grapes over some hides. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #76

Grapes do have thin skins. rug Aug 2014 #77

True and for those constantly getting hidden posts they might consider rethinking how they post. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #78

Oops, 86. Pretty effective. Congrats! cbayer Aug 2014 #87

28 of those replies are yours. SecularMotion Aug 2014 #98

Now at 98 and even more of them are mine. cbayer Aug 2014 #99

I thought it might provoke thoughtful discussion SecularMotion Aug 2014 #107

Right, this topic always provides thoughtful discussion, lol. cbayer Aug 2014 #108

Let's imagine that I tell you the following story: edhopper Aug 2014 #57

Having actually had this experience, okasha Aug 2014 #69

Except what they believe edhopper Aug 2014 #72

So which is it, that they're delusional or that they (whover they is) have bad politics? rug Aug 2014 #75

There bad politics stems edhopper Aug 2014 #81

You're drawing links that are as easily coincidental as they are causal. rug Aug 2014 #83

I am responding to your statement that you let people's beliefs alone edhopper Aug 2014 #84

That's not my statement. rug Aug 2014 #85

Sorry, that was okasha edhopper Aug 2014 #114

That is a question only you can answer. rug Aug 2014 #120

I just did. edhopper Aug 2014 #125

I'm glad you care. rug Aug 2014 #128

What self-serving nonsense. mr blur Aug 2014 #117

Do other people's sex lives lobby, and vote, and pass shit like Proposition 8 in California? AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #121

No, I would think you were a mormon. cbayer Aug 2014 #96

Nope Dorian Gray Aug 2014 #101

Oh no, it's just fine to say that the vast majority of people on this earth are "crazy". cbayer Aug 2014 #104

She's on a regimen Dorian Gray Aug 2014 #105

While the newer generation anti-psychotics are so much better than the old ones, cbayer Aug 2014 #109

Not crazy, as that implies abnormal, but delusional and normal. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #106

Funny stuff amuse bouche Aug 2014 #137

I'm no expert on the religious thing, but somewhere it says 'the meek shall inherit the Earth'... Tikki Aug 2014 #153

What is with responding to a thread that is almot a year old? hrmjustin May 2015 #160

Nostalgia. rug May 2015 #162

lol. hrmjustin May 2015 #166

Hard to tell on my phone. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #163

i use google chrome. hrmjustin May 2015 #167