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Goblinmonger

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128. How is my paraphrase fundamentally different?

Reply to rug (Reply #122)

Wed Aug 20, 2014, 03:58 PM

Aug 2014

I think I did a pretty good job.

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I would like to make clear that many atheists [View all] intaglio Aug 2014 OP

Ok Komze Aug 2014 #1

Cool story, Bro. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #2

Cool smiley, bro. rug Aug 2014 #5

I think it means that the OPer is officially out of the cool kids clique..... CAG Aug 2014 #12

Given the reactions to his thread, he's way better off. rug Aug 2014 #13

And after all those 1000-word essays okasha Aug 2014 #15

Lol good point. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #16

Glad you read A/A Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #18

Very enlightening. okasha Aug 2014 #19

Where else would we get our light entertainment? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #25

Only "real" atheists are not to be alerted on, apparently. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #107

Thank you for posting this. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #3

Ahhh, come on hrmjustin, why would anyone EVER feel like being called CAG Aug 2014 #6

I wonder if some realize how far they went the past few days. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #7

I keep wondering about people that want to start looking around DU CAG Aug 2014 #9

in fact, that strategy seems to give a signal that those snarky posters CAG Aug 2014 #10

Yes! This could turn people away from here and we don't want that. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #11

Classic case of intellectual entitlement common to some cliques. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #42

Don't worry. Nobody thinks they speak for anyone other than their own little circle. rug Aug 2014 #4

Nobody thinks they speak for anyone other than their own little circle. AlbertCat Aug 2014 #139

Thank you for speaking up! Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #8

I prefer to follow the Hitchens model. Jester Messiah Aug 2014 #14

Agreed! Duppers Aug 2014 #17

OH, hogwash. cbayer Aug 2014 #22

Sometimes both. Jester Messiah Aug 2014 #29

I doubt that anyone is going to take that statement personally here. cbayer Aug 2014 #36

I doubt that anyone is going to take that statement personally here. AlbertCat Aug 2014 #137

Really. cbayer Aug 2014 #176

a vacant statement AlbertCat Aug 2014 #193

I freaked and reported you? Really? cbayer Aug 2014 #196

I find the reasoning behind this post to be the most asinine thing I've read in a month. rug Aug 2014 #37

If that's true, you lead a "blessed" life. Jester Messiah Aug 2014 #75

I read quite a bit. I do tend to avoid the asinine though. rug Aug 2014 #111

Gotta link? What's insulting about that? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #46

Perhaps religion is not reasonable and (in some cases) is not harmless intaglio Aug 2014 #27

Here's how I see that: Jester Messiah Aug 2014 #30

Being a religious believer does not legitimize anything. cbayer Aug 2014 #41

Dawkins didn't say moderate believers were "responsible" for the actions of extremists. trotsky Aug 2014 #44

He said "Islam is the greatest force for evil today” Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #47

This is what he actually said: rug Aug 2014 #117

Right Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #120

It's easy to understand. The fact that it's understandable doesn't make it any less bullshit. rug Aug 2014 #122

How is my paraphrase fundamentally different? Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #128

Dawkins' emphasis is that mainstream religious belief enables extremist beliefs. rug Aug 2014 #130

It enables them Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #134

That is as illogical as it is untrue. rug Aug 2014 #135

Today, or late 1700's France? AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #140

Robespierre had more to do with beheadings than the Cure of Ars. rug Aug 2014 #141

Hmm. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #142

I see. Robespierre was forced to employ the guillotine. rug Aug 2014 #143

I feel the Guillotine was a consequence, not the prime suspect. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #144

There's no doubt the church had a privileged position in France, a privileged political position. rug Aug 2014 #145

It factored large in the impoverishment of the nation. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #148

For one thing, any set of circumstances can have multiple and contradictory consequences. rug Aug 2014 #150

My morals prevent me from initiating force in anything other than self defense. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #153

Your morals are illogical. rug Aug 2014 #154

Do tell. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #156

None of those analogies are valid. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #49

Well, cbayer's answer to that seems to be that... trotsky Aug 2014 #53

I totally reject your premise. I think it's a total fail as an argument cbayer Aug 2014 #54

How do I discriminate between what one group of religious people say god said, and another group? AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #59

Can you not ask yourself if someone's position is consistent with your own cbayer Aug 2014 #62

Let's go back to abortion. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #65

Not buying. You didn't answer a single one of my questions. cbayer Aug 2014 #68

Let me demonstrate why you frustrate me so often when we break down issues like this. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #70

"Everything I say here is in context with this site being a political discussion board." cleanhippie Aug 2014 #192

Today on Poe or not... Lordquinton Aug 2014 #161

Agree, I sometimes wonder some members here are Poe's. cbayer Aug 2014 #177

Also, the point of that question was not to 'sway individuals away from religion'. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #60

It's not a matter of denigration of, rather defense against. Jester Messiah Aug 2014 #74

We share the secular beliefs that you express. cbayer Aug 2014 #175

Hooray for common ground! [nt] Jester Messiah Aug 2014 #189

Of course God exists. He/She/It exists in people's minds, in their consciences. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #61

Then that makes everyone's claims of 'what god commanded' equally valid. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #64

That comes from a very narrow definition of God Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #71

That is just conflating a claim that a supernatural deity exists with the idea that such an Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #98

Warren, here's a tip from an old sailor. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #105

How does one paddle while swimming? AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #113

One doesn't. One either swims or paddles, as in walks. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #118

...walks? AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #119

Must be an English thing. Have you never gone paddling at the seaside? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #125

That is an entirely new expression to me. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #126

We learn something new every day Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #127

So you have nothing but insults. Good on you. Always predictable. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #116

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #124

This was alerted......LOL.......lost 0-7......someone must not like you....... Logical Aug 2014 #169

Now, why would anyone not like me? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #197

I'm still waiting for an explanation of how the idea of x is the same as x, where x is not an idea. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #170

so you take umbrage with definitions of god that conflict with your own? Lordquinton Aug 2014 #162

Nope. I don't have a definition. To me any God that might exist is infinite (not definable) Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #166

"infinite (not definable)" Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #171

"lots of things that are infinite are quite readily defined." Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #181

Exactly right Jester Messiah Aug 2014 #73

YOur definition of god is very narrow and can't be applied to all believers at all. cbayer Aug 2014 #178

Pull the other one, it's got bells on. Jester Messiah Aug 2014 #188

Pull what other one? What bells? cbayer Aug 2014 #194

Leg. As in "You're pulling my leg, right?" Jester Messiah Aug 2014 #203

My husband informs me that this is a british expression. cbayer Aug 2014 #204

Okay, depersonalize it then. Theists (not you) have a religion with holy texts or the like. Jester Messiah Aug 2014 #207

My argument is that they must pick and choose. cbayer Aug 2014 #208

But they can't do that if they believe that the bible is the Word of God. Jester Messiah Aug 2014 #209

Sure they can. You are talking only about literalists. cbayer Aug 2014 #210

I'm an atheist, not a fundamentalist. I'm not trying to save you from anything. Jester Messiah Aug 2014 #211

One can be both an atheist and a fundamentalist. cbayer Aug 2014 #212

It's not just flawed, it's founded on flaws. Jester Messiah Aug 2014 #213

That is your opinion. You really seem to need to come to terms with that. cbayer Aug 2014 #214

LOL. When presented with logic, the theist replies "that's your opinion." Jester Messiah Aug 2014 #215

The theist? Who are you directing that to. cbayer Aug 2014 #216

:-) Jester Messiah Aug 2014 #217

Of course you don't believe me. I don't fit your narrow frame of reference, cbayer Aug 2014 #218

I'm an atheist. A skeptic. stone space Aug 2014 #76

It's a social construct. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #77

Let me get this straight. It's not a delusion if people die? stone space Aug 2014 #78

No, I mean it actually exists. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #80

That border doesn't exist. It's just an imaginary line. stone space Aug 2014 #82

You can't see it from space, sure. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #84

I remain a skeptic. An atheist. stone space Aug 2014 #89

I can suggest some tests by which you can prove for yourself if the border is real. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #94

Sure, the churches have jails, but... stone space Aug 2014 #99

I've seen the monument markers myself. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #103

No it's not. That's just a quibble... stone space Aug 2014 #106

You just told the story of the actual effect of the physical reality of our southern border. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #108

No I haven't. stone space Aug 2014 #112

The American government has material physical presence that cannot be demonstrated of any god AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #114

We disagree. I'm an atheist. A skeptic. stone space Aug 2014 #121

Border control is a function of the United States Congress, as spelled out in the United States AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #123

You are welcome to your beliefs. stone space Aug 2014 #129

You made an assertion. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #133

I'm not sure what ... stone space Aug 2014 #136

I think you're fucking with me. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #138

I think you are obsessing... stone space Aug 2014 #151

In posts 108 and 103 I offered you two collaborative 'outs' that you did not take. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #155

Oh, I saw those and responded, ... stone space Aug 2014 #160

I live on that imaginary line, okasha Aug 2014 #147

Really? I've seen tons of border monument markers. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #149

Like Bush's Iron Curtain, okasha Aug 2014 #152

I happen to both appreciate its reality, and casually disregard it. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #157

I can smell it from across the pond. LOL Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #205

That border is America's shame. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #201

Governments are real as long as enough people believe in them Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #199

That is why I have repeatedly referred to it as a social construct. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #200

I get that. Hopefully, we're on the same page here. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #202

Why would you lean Canadian? just curious. cbayer Aug 2014 #179

Harper's government threw billions at the canadian prison/jail system in a hysterical AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #182

Perhaps, but all things being relative, I would choose Mexican food over Canadian. cbayer Aug 2014 #183

Even in jail? AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #184

I've eaten cheap mexican food and cheap canadian food, and I would choose the mexican food. cbayer Aug 2014 #185

I'd go Mexican. No contest. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #198

How do we prove America exists? ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #88

It exists in the same sense any contract exists. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #93

Where do contracts exist? nt ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #95

Between two parties, and before an enforcement mechanism. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #96

Contracts don't exist between two parties, they exist inside two parties. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #101

The contract terms are normall stored in some tangible or digital form in which agreement can be AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #104

I believe computers and paper are real. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #132

I would like to make it clear that some unwise posters.. MellowDem Aug 2014 #20

And some people have tried deliberately to offend religion intaglio Aug 2014 #35

Religion isn't a person, and cannot be offended. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #50

Exactly. Phlem Aug 2014 #52

No religion is also people, intaglio Aug 2014 #97

"tried deliberately to offend religion" - you do understand that "religion" is an idea and cannot be Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #79

But those who follow religion can be offended intaglio Aug 2014 #92

that is their problem. They have no right in this forum to not be offended. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #100

Firstly Religion is a group, intaglio Aug 2014 #109

I said nothing about the A&A group. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #115

No you made a general point and I applied it to A&A intaglio Aug 2014 #158

ok I give up, you are having a discussion about things I haven't said. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #172

And that is the heart of the problem intaglio Aug 2014 #186

I think the criticism of religion on here is fair... MellowDem Aug 2014 #146

It was not fair within the class of posts I was identifying intaglio Aug 2014 #159

Yes, in fact most atheists who post here are not as you describe. cbayer Aug 2014 #21

I missed it. (I think) bravenak Aug 2014 #23

Oopsie! Looks like you are the wrong kind of atheist cbayer Aug 2014 #24

Actually, he got kicked out of his own thread by a jury. trotsky Aug 2014 #31

On what was a harmless post intaglio Aug 2014 #33

No one knows who alerted on you. trotsky Aug 2014 #34

I agree that I have been harsh intaglio Aug 2014 #43

Then I would say if you have a problem with one particular DUer, you use appropriate tools. trotsky Aug 2014 #45

but when we criticize the pope for things that actually have real world consequences Lordquinton Aug 2014 #167

"take your meds" is pretty well frowned on by the progressive community of DU. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #81

As I have made clear elsewhere, I was harkening to my own experience intaglio Aug 2014 #90

whatever. Jury got it right, and no I didn't alert. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #91

Why are you so defensive? n/t intaglio Aug 2014 #110

And I'm sure the alert came outside A&A. rug Aug 2014 #38

Good for you. I think you speak for most of us. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #26

DAEWSKIN!!!!!111! Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #28

HEAVEN'S GATE!!!!11!!!!!! rug Aug 2014 #39

Now it's funny. Iggo Aug 2014 #32

It's a good thing you put in a smiley. rug Aug 2014 #40

Thank you. There are a lot of atheists here, ... stone space Aug 2014 #48

Who says atheism is about denigrating religious folks? AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #51

Who says islam is about terrorism? cbayer Aug 2014 #66

Not me. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #67

Exactly, and no one said atheism was about attacking religious people. cbayer Aug 2014 #69

Don't do that again. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #72

Let me take care of that for you. The end. cbayer Aug 2014 #83

Once again, I am bitten by giving you the benefit of the doubt. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #85

You do get double extra credit for relentless comity. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #87

Unfortunately this does not appy to yourself intaglio Aug 2014 #164

Actually you appear to be obsessed with me. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #173

Read my previous reply n/t intaglio Aug 2014 #187

Actually, this is better evidence of obsession: rug Aug 2014 #191

I would suggest that you examine the posts within this group intaglio Aug 2014 #163

I freely admit many of my assumptions are flawed. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #165

Oh Yea Phlem Aug 2014 #55

Here, let me give you the canned response: trotsky Aug 2014 #56

Nice caps brother Phlem Aug 2014 #57

Oh I get it. you mean this. Phlem Aug 2014 #58

Precisely! trotsky Aug 2014 #86

What does this have to do with the post you are responding to? cbayer Aug 2014 #63

Interesting segue! Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #131

I realize that wryter2000 Aug 2014 #102

I think you don't speak for the majority if atheists Lordquinton Aug 2014 #168

Are you sure? stone space Aug 2014 #174

Oh, I am quite certain that he does. cbayer Aug 2014 #180

It's always hard to generalize... stone space Aug 2014 #190

I have also not met these people in real life and the available statistics cbayer Aug 2014 #195

I, he definitely does. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #206