I would like to make clear that many atheists

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129. You are welcome to your beliefs.

Again, I'm not convinced by your arguments (and indeed have difficulty even understanding their relevance to the question), but I'm not trying to proselyte you.

I'm talking about the issue of the border God, not the minor distinctions of the differences in our use of language.

As long as we can get past the superficial surface stuff and communicate about the real issue, I'm happy, even if we speak different languages and use different imagery.

I was tempted to jump down to a comment of yours below, but I think I'll just paste it here instead, because I think this really gets to how we are getting stuck here:

"because I cannot verify any claim that is not spelled out explicitly in the source documentation they use."

It's not a matter of telling the difference between the camps, it's a matter of validating the claims made.

Here's the thing. I don't need to "verify" your claims, and you don't need to "verify" mine.

That's just the superficial linguistic stuff.

And it's not going to happen, anyway.

But since we can still understand each other and communicate about this issue or that issue, that's OK. We can still find common ground.

We need to stop trying to "verify" our differences in language, culture, and imagery, and start trying to understand each other well enough to enable communication across the linguistic gulf.