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In reply to the discussion: Susan Blackmore has an unexpected lecture experience at Oxford Royale Academy [View all]Jim__
(15,239 posts)11. "... you should be open-minded enough to hear alternative views."
Really? This is what she believes?
From Blackmore's introduction to her book Conversations on Consciousness:
Secondly, I have been through all of this myself. I long ago concluded that free will must be an illusion, and so over the years I have practiced not believing in it. Eventually, with long practice, it becomes perfectly obvious that all the actions of the body are the consequences of prior events acting on a complex system; then the feeling of making free conscious decisions simply melts away. I had expected to find others who had gone through this somewhat disturbing change. Yet I was wrong. Everyone had something to say about free will, and some people had agonized about it. Dan Wegner and Pat both expressed the 'as if' option; yet, withthe possible exception of Francis, no one completely rejected the notion of free will as I do, and no one seemed to share my experience of letting it go.Indeed Susan and John did not seem to believe me that it is possible to throw it off.
... it becomes perfectly obvious that all the actions of the body are the consequences of prior events acting on a complex system; ...
Based on her claimed belief about free will and all the actions of the body, it should be perfectly obvious to her why these people got up and left - and that this action does not involve any choice. Or, maybe, things are not as perfectly obvious to her as she proclaims. And that implies she may not take being insulted at a lecture as passively as she believes she would.
Also, her proclaimed views on determinism strongly imply that her approach is wrong, but the thought never seems to cross her mind:
Walking miserably up the High Street I felt profoundly depressed at the state of the world. I could cheer myself with the thought that Id learned something. I learned that Islam has yet another nasty meme-trick to offer when you are offended put your hands over your ears and run away. This would be funny if it werent so serious. These bright, but ignorant, young people must be among the more enlightened of their contemporaries since their parents have been able and willing to send them on this course to learn something new. If even they cannot face dissent, or think for themselves, what hope is there for the rest? And what can I do?
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Susan Blackmore has an unexpected lecture experience at Oxford Royale Academy [View all]
AtheistCrusader
Aug 2014
OP
I'd really be interested in a study that measures physiological response to faith challenges.
LiberalAndProud
Aug 2014
#1
It seemed to me to be basically the same lecture she gave at TED, with just
AtheistCrusader
Aug 2014
#6
According to her version of events, the disruption began as soon as she touched on evolution.
AtheistCrusader
Aug 2014
#52
True, but it was one person, and nobody left, not even when one of the volunteers started the chant
Htom Sirveaux
Aug 2014
#55
Journalism in its best use is neutral. Editorial Opinion pages are the place for advocacy, rebuttal.
pinto
Aug 2014
#28
It is as puzzling to me as some people's apparent expectation that she include something nice
AtheistCrusader
Aug 2014
#70
It's part of good communication to establish connections with your audience.
Htom Sirveaux
Aug 2014
#75
But you still haven't explained why she should have been required to do that for a lecture. n/t
trotsky
Aug 2014
#69
Um what the heck does this have to do with the invited speaker speaking at the lecture she
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
#36
We are pretty much allowed to express our opinions of other people's posts here.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
#37
Really? Blackmore is one of the most prominent Atheists in the 'activist' community, outside the
AtheistCrusader
Aug 2014
#72
There is some theory in play here, perhaps part of our indoctrinated cultural expectations,
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
#89
I'm reminded of "The First Amendment doesn't exist so we can talk about the weather"
AtheistCrusader
Aug 2014
#92
If the situation were just slightly different, if instead she were lecturing about
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2014
#97