Religion

Lordquinton

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48. gotta go past last tuesday to see the story

Thu Aug 21, 2014, 04:21 PM

Aug 2014

It's only a tit for tat thing if you don't look at the whole picture. The believers here have always been offended at any challange, and they ignore solid arguments to focus on unimportant points and derail the discussion.

Believers obsessed over the whole delusion thing so some people decided to press it because it wasn't being let go. If they actually engaged here insteas of deflecting and projecting there could be a dialog, but as you have seen even when an atheist trys to be polite they still get torn apaet by the usual crowd. It's not the atheists here that have a problem.

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Religion and Delusion: Branch Davidians and the Siege of Waco [View all] Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 OP

God gives us so much hope, with so much evidence of his fruits Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #1

One could say the same of many things Prophet 451 Aug 2014 #2

There certainly are other ways mass delusional behavior can be induced. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #7

How many would it take to constitute mass delusional behavior? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #36

I'm not saying religion should get a special pass AlbertCat Aug 2014 #71

Lather, rinse, repeat. longship Aug 2014 #3

As needed. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #6

Or, as not. longship Aug 2014 #9

You have the power at your disposal to trash threads, ignore posters etc. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #43

Well, Warren, one post gets the point across. longship Aug 2014 #44

It requires as many as I see fit to post. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #45

If religion is literally murderous often, as in documented cases of genocide, then it is ... Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #50

I am a lifelong atheist. longship Aug 2014 #59

My position: presenting academic, clinical, historical papers should not be considered insulting. Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #65

I would concur. longship Aug 2014 #70

Are you going to take believers to task for posting "lather, rinse, repeat" posts? EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2014 #68

Well, this is the Religion group. longship Aug 2014 #75

Yes, the Branch Davidian leadership and Tim McVeigh ended up hurting a lot of people. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #4

It seems to be quite possible to induce mass delusional behavior using religious memes. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #5

Are you suggesting we ban religion as too potentially dangerous? Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #11

But it seems only the religious part of the free exercise clause edhopper Aug 2014 #12

I support critically examining religious beliefs when they are brought into political debates. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #24

gotta go past last tuesday to see the story Lordquinton Aug 2014 #48

Personally, I've found that both believers and atheists largely want the same thing from each other. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #84

Where did I suggest that? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #14

Ok, I'll rephrase. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #15

Why is it when someone edhopper Aug 2014 #17

Probably because nobody is claiming that our political system can function without an opposing party Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #26

We don't need religion we can live without it. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #27

No, that is not correct. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #31

Well, in this forum there are quite a few people who proclaim that religion is just ducky. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #35

If you don't mind my asking, what has been your personal experience with religion? Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #85

Actually, SCOTUS reads parts of the Constitution and Declaration to put some limits on religion Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #51

Right, because nobody else had noticed that? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #38

Just about every time an example is brought up here by anyone identified as an atheist Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #39

Of course I agree. How could I not agree? I see it daily Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #41

keep the insults flying tacky. It is so charming and civil. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #46

Like "tacky"? Those kind of insults? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #47

oh my gosh you are so clever. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #49

For once, I am in complete agreement with you Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #54

Are you suggesting we ban religion as too potentially dangerous? AlbertCat Aug 2014 #72

I'm still waiting for your thread on Masada. rug Aug 2014 #8

What was the reason for the suicide at Masada? edhopper Aug 2014 #13

Roman legions building a ramp to kill them. rug Aug 2014 #16

What was their reason for killing themselves? edhopper Aug 2014 #18

I suspect they were trying to avoid crucifixion. rug Aug 2014 #20

So how it Masada edhopper Aug 2014 #22

It is as similar to Heaven's Gate, or Waco, or any other aberration Warren is fixated on, rug Aug 2014 #33

In Masada, Zionists - religious extremists? - would not cooperate with another, Roman religion Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #53

Ah, a defense of literal imperialism. rug Aug 2014 #55

Israel itself invaded Palestine, killing the original Philistines etc.. Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #58

Actually there was no Palestine then, it was Canaan. rug Aug 2014 #60

Actually, Caanan isn't quite inclusive enough; the newer word "Palestine" gets the broader geography Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #63

Actually there was no Palestine then, it was Canaan. AlbertCat Aug 2014 #73

And when he's done with Masada, okasha Aug 2014 #21

That's a good one. rug Aug 2014 #34

Fortunately, he'll just need to type it, not pronounce it. okasha Aug 2014 #37

Oh goodie, it's the old comedy double act! mr blur Aug 2014 #62

Fortunately, he'll just need to type it, not pronounce it. AlbertCat Aug 2014 #74

In Monsegur, religious extremists - Cathars - gave up their lives rather than be taken by Catholics Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #57

there's Montsegur. AlbertCat Aug 2014 #76

Religion is a framework in which it is insisted (and accepted)... trotsky Aug 2014 #10

McVeigh was an atheist when he blew up the Murrah Bldg. okasha Aug 2014 #19

From Time Magizine interview 2001 edhopper Aug 2014 #23

You missed the point. okasha Aug 2014 #25

McVeigh was associated with radical christian white supremacists when he blew up the Murrah Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #29

He was associated with his old Army buddy, okasha Aug 2014 #40

And some recognize something like PTSD in Nichols and others. Delusions. Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #52

He was also associated with Elohim City Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #56

Conspiracy theory, Warren? okasha Aug 2014 #64

1) McVeigh's own statement said he acted in response to "Waco"; the religious group Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #66

As I said, you seem very concerned about denying any association at all between Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #67

I don't deny that McVeigh had contact with several militia groups. okasha Aug 2014 #69

McVeigh is sporadically confesses a link to religion: the Catholic Church, the Branch Davidians Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #87

I am gobsmacked at this post. Fix The Stupid Aug 2014 #30

Go right ahead and be gobsmacked. okasha Aug 2014 #32

No, okasha, one can be either an agnostic theist OR an agnostic atheist. trotsky Aug 2014 #42

Right wing politics, yes. Religion, no. AlbertCat Aug 2014 #78

Oh, dear. okasha Aug 2014 #79

While I'm deeply honored that you want to be my stalker, AlbertCat Aug 2014 #80

Don't take your rejection so much to heart. okasha Aug 2014 #81

Don't take your rejection so much to heart. AlbertCat Aug 2014 #82

And do stop talking to yourself. okasha Aug 2014 #83

And do stop talking to yourself. AlbertCat Aug 2014 #86

McVeigh's statement: he did it as revenge for "what the U.S. government did at Waco and Ruby Ridge" Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #61

You missed the point. AlbertCat Aug 2014 #77

I bet mcveigh also didn't believe in Santa phil89 Aug 2014 #28