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cbayer

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439. I'm not sure I would include dangerousness in my defintion, though

Sat Aug 23, 2014, 10:21 AM

Aug 2014

I think there is more potential for danger in a cult.

I have seen a few tables comparing cults to religion that I though made some valid points, but I really haven't seen anything I would consider definitive. Even the site you link to seems to struggle with this.

Agree that there is the risk of the word being misused and that it could lead to bigotry. The differences to me have been in the area of brainwashing, though I am sure that many would argue that there is a lot of grey area there.

My objection comes up when the weak statement "religion is just a cult with more members" is made. That means nothing and completely ignores that there really are valid differences.

Using the term "harmful cult" might help defang that position.

Thanks for your thoughts on this. I don't think it is likely to be resolved, but i do think we can be clearer when we speak to each other.

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Does anyone here think there is too much religious entitlement here on DU? [View all] Starboard Tack Aug 2014 OP

My answer is no. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #1

Nope n/t intaglio Aug 2014 #2

it is an issue here Lordquinton Aug 2014 #3

Often called hate speech? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #4

yes. Lordquinton Aug 2014 #8

The attacks are not one sided here. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #9

ok, examples? Lordquinton Aug 2014 #10

Iplying we are deluded. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #12

From the atheist perspective religion is a delusion. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #16

"So it is only your specific beliefs that you think ought to be held above reproach" hrmjustin Aug 2014 #17

I have no idea what you said there. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #22

Oh Lord Warren I was laughing at a joke! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #24

You were publicly mocking another poster's beliefs. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #25

Entitlement? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #30

What garbage..Many atheists mock the beliefs of religious people for sport. whathehell Aug 2014 #212

exactly my point. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #233

No, I don't think so.. whathehell Aug 2014 #236

Try reading that thread. That line was mocking the op's beliefs, and justin was LMFAO Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #237

I think the point of the op was to sY that the number 12pops up in religions too often. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #239

No the op is promoting a religious belief, ASTROTHEOLOGY, whatever the fuck that is, Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #243

Wow I did not know this. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #244

Numerology isn't a religion. okasha Aug 2014 #241

It is to the op: "ASTROTHEOLOGY". Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #242

Wrong again. okasha Aug 2014 #246

There you go: "may be a religion but I doubt it". Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #247

The op has never called astrotheology a religion. okasha Aug 2014 #249

I get your drift, but whathehell Aug 2014 #253

I'm afraid he doesn't. rug Aug 2014 #26

If that's what you think, why do you bother even trying to speak to us? Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #19

I will always say at least he is honest. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #20

It is difficult. I am somewhat fascinated by Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #27

I am fascinated by flameouts. rug Aug 2014 #29

It is such a privilege to amuse you that way. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #42

The currency has in god we trust on it. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #98

Amusement? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #102

First, the question was about in the Religion forum, not society at large. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #133

It seems some here have actually forgotten what the original question was and they can't provide hrmjustin Aug 2014 #134

"it"? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #136

Figure of speech warren and you know that. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #137

No it isn't. It is you being intentionally insulting. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #139

Then alert and see if 7 others agree with you. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #141

Your manufactured outrage would be disgusting okasha Aug 2014 #208

somebody edited their post before its timeout expired. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #209

Huh? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #210

You alerted on my post? if yes I would like to see the results if you have them. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #213

So would I. okasha Aug 2014 #216

Did he say he alerted? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #217

Neither did I. okasha Aug 2014 #218

He probably didn't but I think it was unfair he accused me of something I did not do. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #219

It was something you so obviously didn't do okasha Aug 2014 #220

Justin fumble fingers posts all the time. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #222

huh? no I generally don't pull weaselly stunts like that. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #221

Well I think it is wrong to accuse somebody of something they clearly didn't do. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #224

I don't know if you did or didn't. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #226

Remind me of which appauling behavior please. and I accept your apology. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #227

Oh seriously Justin? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #229

Iam sorry but you are saying I did something and you want an apology. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #230

Not as disgusting as your mastery of syntax, or lack thereof. rug Aug 2014 #169

So do you agree that religious privilege is pervasive in society? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #135

The question is about privilege on DU. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #143

So we live in a society permeated with religious privilege, just not here. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #228

So we are just supposed to be silent when you say we are delusional? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #232

So that "obvious atheist viewpoint" is above Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #235

many of us come from a religious background Lordquinton Aug 2014 #34

What signs are those, and when did I say Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #41

this is reducing it to the personal Lordquinton Aug 2014 #45

Ok, so what are the signs you mentioned Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #46

it's like pornography Lordquinton Aug 2014 #47

That sounds like Dorian Gray Aug 2014 #93

Well, we atheists believe that many aheists... stone space Aug 2014 #59

What does this have to do with the OP? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #67

No, that is your perspective. rug Aug 2014 #28

I think you do not understand what an atheist is. stone space Aug 2014 #33

You noticed that too? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #85

Go look at a definition Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #109

Definition? Meh, words can mean whatever we want them to mean when we need them to. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #114

It's Warren who needs the dictionary. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #119

If you don't believe in the existence of supernatural whatsits, what do you view the belief of AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #292

so you think gods are real but you don't believe in them? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #91

What I think doesn't matter. stone space Aug 2014 #125

Wrong again Warren Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #69

Oh dear amuse bouche Aug 2014 #110

Love often clouds reason. rug Aug 2014 #170

Seems you confuse easily amuse bouche Aug 2014 #214

I'm not the one saying I'm in love. rug Aug 2014 #234

" I'm not the one saying I'm in love" amuse bouche Aug 2014 #256

At least not with Warren. rug Aug 2014 #303

"From the atheist perspective religion is a delusion". Please -- Many go FAR beyond stating whathehell Aug 2014 #127

I once saw a post here that had a crucified Christ with rockets on him. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #128

Oh yes..It gets even worse than that, though they are "careful" for some reason, not to mock whathehell Aug 2014 #131

Well Christians get it more becuse we are the majority religion here. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #132

Yes, it's the majority religion of the country, whathehell Aug 2014 #197

Untrue. I am an equal opportunity denier. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #294

It may be "untrue" as to your actions -- Not so as to others, and besides, whathehell Aug 2014 #322

Judaism is the only group that scores higher than atheists for AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #325

Wow..So it seems you can be an atheist AND a bigoted homophobe whathehell Aug 2014 #326

Apparently you didn't read or understand my post if that was your takeaway. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #328

If Jews rank HIGHER than atheists on accepting same sex marriage, what whathehell Aug 2014 #330

No, this. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #331

Your MO of "moving the goal posts" is becoming clear.. whathehell Aug 2014 #352

You could have just said 'I missed that line, no worries'. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #353

Well, sure, I could tell lies to flatter your ego.. whathehell Aug 2014 #377

Smileys arent much of a defense mechanism. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #379

No, & neither are straw men. You don't take rejection well, do you? whathehell Aug 2014 #380

You won't be missed. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #384

+1 burnsei sensei Aug 2014 #307

Thank you. n/t whathehell Aug 2014 #317

Mild fatwa envy on your part Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #357

That must be it.. whathehell Aug 2014 #376

I must be humor deficient as well, since I see nothing 'funny' about crucifixion -- whathehell Aug 2014 #199

Yeah it really as a disgusting post. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #200

Yes, the hate and INTOLERANCE stands in quite a bit of contrast to, not only the DU Rules, whathehell Aug 2014 #204

No the admins are fair to both sides because I have dealt with them and seen it. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #205

But as you said, whathehell Aug 2014 #206

The admins leave that to the hosts. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #207

Okay, I've got you there. whathehell Aug 2014 #211

Oh please. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #295

Please, my ass -- I've seen PLENTY of anti-theist vitriol all over DU whathehell Aug 2014 #315

You are blind if you think religion and politics don't intersect on a daily basis in this nation. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #319

I never said it didn't or that I would EVER be in favor of that intersection.. whathehell Aug 2014 #324

Can you name names? AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #327

That sounds like a nice cartoon to caption amuse bouche Aug 2014 #257

Not my taste. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #258

I wouldn't be concerned about those who look down on you, Justin Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #123

Thank you my friend! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #124

"Those who look down on you are standing on shaky ladders and riding in hot air balloons." amuse bouche Aug 2014 #282

What crowd do you imagine that to be? cbayer Aug 2014 #287

Use you magical thinking and figure it out amuse bouche Aug 2014 #299

I don't have any magical thinking, but if that is what you used to reach this baseless cbayer Aug 2014 #300

Est-ce vous vous �tes bien amus�s, M. Bouche Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #291

Who are you kidding? amuse bouche Aug 2014 #296

Honte � moi ! Je pensais que vous soyez fran�ais Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #306

You are easily confused? amuse bouche Aug 2014 #312

Mais oui. Particuli�rement quand je mange amuse-bouche avant le filet mignon. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #335

Hot air balloons work on demonstrable, falsifiable principles. Also, they exist. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #297

True, but even so, they are pretty useless. cbayer Aug 2014 #311

They are a means to access perpectives for which your feet can't otherwise take you. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #316

Yep, that would be just about their only purpose. cbayer Aug 2014 #318

Those looking crosswise at you are riding recumbent bicyles and standing on trembling goldfinches. enki23 Aug 2014 #366

You remind me very much of this character, and i like it. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #368

Yes..That is exactly what they do, but they don't limit it to that.. whathehell Aug 2014 #129

Who cares what someone else thinks of your beliefs? Marrah_G Aug 2014 #407

I agree that christians are largely protected and privilege in the US, but I will cbayer Aug 2014 #411

Like the time I told someone here Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #15

+100 n/t whathehell Aug 2014 #126

Clearly there are some disagreements here about the catholic church. cbayer Aug 2014 #61

Link? cbayer Aug 2014 #60

well, there is one post in this thread calling critism of the pope and his church bigotry Lordquinton Aug 2014 #396

I don't see either of those posts. Could you give me links? cbayer Aug 2014 #405

Generally the privileged are blind to their Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #5

very true Lordquinton Aug 2014 #11

Not that I've noticed Prophet 451 Aug 2014 #6

Exactly! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #7

Jackpot! okasha Aug 2014 #21

Thank you! NaturalHigh Aug 2014 #88

good post Gothmog Aug 2014 #96

We've got a winner! whathehell Aug 2014 #387

Not at all. If anything, it skews the other way here. rug Aug 2014 #13

However ... CountAllVotes Aug 2014 #31

Can't disagree. Which is why I think it skews in general the other way. rug Aug 2014 #32

Catholocism isn't a race, and the RCC meddles directly in US politics. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #301

I don't think there's any "entitlement" or privilege whatsoever. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #14

At least get the argument right. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #18

and you provide an example right here Lordquinton Aug 2014 #36

Oh, I don't think that those who shit on religions are necessarily athiests. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #38

Atheism obviously has a PR problem. stone space Aug 2014 #122

Where do you get the idea that there is a difference when it comes to jury decisions? cbayer Aug 2014 #68

Have you yourself served on a DU "Religion" section jury? Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #74

Yes. Why? cbayer Aug 2014 #75

Were you jurying a discussion in which you had been a participant? Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #77

You are not called to jury in any thread in which you are participating. cbayer Aug 2014 #78

Partially. Though regular posters are all in effect, in an extended conversation, from week to week Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #79

You also have the option of blocking some members from ever being cbayer Aug 2014 #80

I have been merely asking questions; I wish to make no point before fuller investigation. Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #83

In order to do this, you would need data which you do not have access to. cbayer Aug 2014 #86

Except? Note that random selection of a jury is likely to get 78% Christians. And more believers. Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #87

No, there is a huge fault in your argument. cbayer Aug 2014 #90

Even if DU members were not typically religious, the % would likely be more than 50%. Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #142

Meh, until you show me data, I will maintain that there is not cbayer Aug 2014 #146

I very strongly suspect professional statistics WILL support this Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #153

Prove it and get back to me. cbayer Aug 2014 #154

This is interesting numbers that don't prove much but it is related info. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #157

add up all 15 or so religion related boards here and get back Lordquinton Aug 2014 #174

I will take a look but you might be right but there might be a large overlap. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #176

Where did you get that number 15 or so? cbayer Aug 2014 #179

admittedly i guessed from memory Lordquinton Aug 2014 #255

Where are you getting 14? There are 7, and some of those overlap cbayer Aug 2014 #261

The "Religion" section on DU includes 12 groups; at least 10 of them are religious Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #264

Does the math get you to 15 or even 14 using your criteria? cbayer Aug 2014 #267

You do realize most of those groups get little traffic? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #273

Note that cbayer is asserting that her unsupported statistical assumptions are correct Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #223

A related, darker point: the "privileged" status of defenders of the faith, like (Dr?) cbayer (MD?) Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #181

I suppose that any straight person who... stone space Aug 2014 #190

Yes, these are terrible ethical dilemmas. cbayer Aug 2014 #194

"This position statement from Ms. cbayer represents an extremely problematic ethics position " Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #225

Usually those who advocate for those with mental illness, are not advocating the illness itself. Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #263

What I meant to say is that there's no accounting for consistency or reliability with juries. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #117

Ah, I see. cbayer Aug 2014 #118

We might all be using different definitions for the term "religious entitlement." ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #23

That's an opinion. How does that equal privilege or entitlement? cbayer Aug 2014 #66

Religion is internal. Faith is very personal. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #167

I disagree. I think it is important to be able to distinguish between a cult and a religion. cbayer Aug 2014 #171

I don't understand your position. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #180

I disagree with your premise. cbayer Aug 2014 #183

I don't think I udnerstand your position. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #185

I think cults are potentially more dangerous. cbayer Aug 2014 #188

Why not just judge each group individually, ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #189

I hope that judging each group individually is what I do. cbayer Aug 2014 #193

How would you feel if someone used the word "religion" for belief systems they don't like? ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #195

I don't think I understand your question. cbayer Aug 2014 #196

Yes, but you don't seem to care for that behavior. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #198

I don't like thoughtless generalizations that are meant only to attack someone for their cbayer Aug 2014 #201

Calling cults bad is a thoughtless generalization. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #202

This is where we differ. cbayer Aug 2014 #203

I use the sociological distinction. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #240

That's an interesting perspective, but I still think that the term cult cbayer Aug 2014 #260

"is there is cause to believe that atheism will meet the criteria of a religion" ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #281

But there are branches or subsets within the atheism community that cbayer Aug 2014 #284

Yes, such as Zen Buddhism. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #313

That is the best example, I agree. cbayer Aug 2014 #314

This is interesting and I agree. Here are some things I would add. eomer Aug 2014 #437

I'm not sure I would include dangerousness in my defintion, though cbayer Aug 2014 #439

Right, I think the more interesting discussion is about the substance, not the semantics. eomer Aug 2014 #444

You make an excellent point, and I think maybe the distinction of dangerousness is valid at times. cbayer Aug 2014 #445

I don't really see that as a form of "religious entitlement." Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #94

No. Tolerance is a progressive trait. Intolerance is for wingnuts. MADem Aug 2014 #35

What about the atheists here who insult believers? is that entitlement? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #37

no it's not Lordquinton Aug 2014 #39

maybe you should go look it up again. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #40

I know what privlige is Lordquinton Aug 2014 #43

the conversation is at an end because of your dismissive behavior. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #44

I have not been dismissive. Lordquinton Aug 2014 #48

Post 39 was rather dismissive to me and I will not respond continue if I am dismissed. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #49

pretty much every one of your posts has been dismissive Lordquinton Aug 2014 #50

Which one of mine. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #51

most of them Lordquinton Aug 2014 #57

What about you? Do you realize how dismissive your posts are? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #58

how? Lordquinton Aug 2014 #62

Telling me to look up an issue before I continue talking. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #95

because you clearly don't understand the issue Lordquinton Aug 2014 #177

Yes it is insulting and dismissive and I think I am done going back and forth with you. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #178

I think some do feel entitiled, the "delusionists" I call them. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #70

Do you think gods are real? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #92

Of course. They are real to those who believe in them. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #97

Nice avoidance. Do you think gods exist in reality, not as ideas in people's minds. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #115

No avoidance at all Warren. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #120

Do you think that the number "5" is real? stone space Aug 2014 #182

another avoidance. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #186

Nice avoidance. stone space Aug 2014 #187

Does the King of the Leprechauns exist? eomer Aug 2014 #436

No, not I. pinto Aug 2014 #52

The problem, as always, is that entitlement is completely invisible to people who have it. Warpy Aug 2014 #53

You are absolutely right and it cuts both ways. cbayer Aug 2014 #63

except the privlige here is from the real world Lordquinton Aug 2014 #71

You are right. There is privilege and discrimination and outright bigotry in the real world. cbayer Aug 2014 #72

But this was about DU not the real world. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #99

That's not what happened Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #108

This thread is an example of what, precisely? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #76

Actually the thread title itself is self incriminating. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #231

Good point. He even read the A&A thread wrong. Warpy Aug 2014 #245

Yes (nt) malokvale77 Aug 2014 #54

Those saying there is no privilege Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #55

Ok help me to see where we are wrong. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #56

Maybe because it's in the religion group? Prophet 451 Aug 2014 #64

Really? All believers? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #73

I hope you aren't counting you. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #138

I'm going to need a translator for that one. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #151

What does this mean? stone space Aug 2014 #271

Religious privilege means there is some kind of advantage to be religious cbayer Aug 2014 #65

Well for example you have to be overtly god-smacked to run for president Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #160

Who on DU is running for President? rug Aug 2014 #172

Thank You...Religion is certainly NOT a privilege on DU. n/t whathehell Aug 2014 #254

For just one, but a relevant one, the vast majority of jury members will be sympathetic to you. enki23 Aug 2014 #288

And you base this on what exactly? cbayer Aug 2014 #289

On overwhelming population statistics. enki23 Aug 2014 #290

You are making an assumption that may or may not be valid. cbayer Aug 2014 #293

If you have no strong evidence in favor of your prima facie extremely unlikely hypothesis, enki23 Aug 2014 #358

I have no strong evidence in support of my hypothesis that there is intelligent life cbayer Aug 2014 #370

That's a fairly representative example right there. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2014 #402

What claim did I make? cbayer Aug 2014 #406

Come on. Really? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2014 #413

You would know it if I were trying to insult you. cbayer Aug 2014 #414

"Resorting to personal attacks"? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2014 #415

"Addressed"? This word� I don't think it means what you think it means. cbayer Aug 2014 #416

It means "to deal with or discuss" Act_of_Reparation Aug 2014 #419

If I have misinterpreted what you have said, then I appreciate your trying to make it clearer to me. cbayer Aug 2014 #420

I do identify as an antitheist, yes. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2014 #421

We do not define the word the same way. cbayer Aug 2014 #422

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with any of that. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2014 #424

I think it would certainly tip towards the bad for you, but that's just you. cbayer Aug 2014 #431

When posters from religious groups can go in the safe haven of athiests amuse bouche Aug 2014 #81

So when posters from non-believing groups can go in the safe cbayer Aug 2014 #82

The difference being Rainforestgoddess Aug 2014 #140

Rubbish. There is no difference. cbayer Aug 2014 #144

The juries felt it was hide worthy. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #145

Which just proves religious privilege n/t Rainforestgoddess Aug 2014 #148

lol, no it proves it is hide worthy. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #149

No, it doesn't. Are you saying that DU'ers are so blinded by their religious cbayer Aug 2014 #150

Wanted to add Rainforestgoddess Aug 2014 #158

What? There is clearly tribalism going on here, and cbayer Aug 2014 #163

Oh, I feel all knight in shining armour - y! Rainforestgoddess Aug 2014 #164

Lol! I know you to be a good person, rfg. cbayer Aug 2014 #165

And is not the status "safe haven" a form of entitlement, in and of itself? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #84

"And is not the status "safe haven" a form of entitlement, in and of itself?" amuse bouche Aug 2014 #104

So you do not condone the behavior of those who feel entitled to abuse it's status? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #113

It is, in the same sense that "the black leadership caucus" is a form of entitlement. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #116

Oh, this is cute. You're now comparing A&A to "the black leadership caucus". rug Aug 2014 #173

This sounds like an administrative issue than an entitlement issue. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #100

Administarative issue? I disagree amuse bouche Aug 2014 #103

Well then you risk hidden posts. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #105

"Well then you risk hidden posts." amuse bouche Aug 2014 #106

Does that apply to all safe havens? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #107

I would rather have a garden full of flowers, so removing the weeds is what one must do. cbayer Aug 2014 #112

So you missed the part where the delicate flowers have no spine amuse bouche Aug 2014 #215

Delicate flowers are precious. Why are you so disturbed by them? cbayer Aug 2014 #259

Delicate flowers is a euphemism amuse bouche Aug 2014 #269

Oh, no!! A euphemism? That is way, way too complex for me. cbayer Aug 2014 #270

"Oh, no!! A euphemism? That is way, way too complex for me" amuse bouche Aug 2014 #272

KKK, homophobes and religious believers? You actually see these things as similar. cbayer Aug 2014 #274

Just a big wow to me as well. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #275

Ah, I see the similarity! cbayer Aug 2014 #276

After the last few days here I am beginning to feel less welcome. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #277

You will never be welcome here by some. cbayer Aug 2014 #278

I will probably take another break from this room again soon but not today. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #279

"See how that works?" amuse bouche Aug 2014 #280

I don't believe in magic, do you? cbayer Aug 2014 #283

No I do not believe in magic, amuse bouche Aug 2014 #285

No, you detest (your word) people who believe in god. cbayer Aug 2014 #286

How odd. stone space Aug 2014 #355

You didn't answer my question. cbayer Aug 2014 #111

No. NaturalHigh Aug 2014 #89

My answer is a definite, no. eom BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #101

I notice the how we are entitled here has not been answered. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #121

Because nobody here is any more entitled than anyone else. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #156

Well said! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #159

Don't forget the 11th commandment SecularMotion Aug 2014 #130

Oh, I thought it was "Thou shall not post absolute rubbish in an attempt to flame bait". cbayer Aug 2014 #147

I live by it, and the 12th Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #152

slack-jawed creationist and godbothering trolls get the boot quick--other trolls don't MisterP Aug 2014 #155

For example? What kind of trolls don't? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #161

Well the answer to your original question is "yes" some people do. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #162

Yes, of course some do. We knew that. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #168

Gee, all of those groups are discriminated against because of a currect intellectual opinion. rug Aug 2014 #175

Wow, I haven't personally noticed that. I hope there would not be. agbdf Aug 2014 #166

I am curious what do those of you who think there is religious entitlement want to happen? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #184

An excellent question. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #191

I don't post ops anymore here and some have me on ignore. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #192

I don't see religious entitlement here so much, but in the real world, there most definitely is. Marrah_G Aug 2014 #408

what is religious entitlement? underthematrix Aug 2014 #238

Yes... MellowDem Aug 2014 #248

We are not saying religion should not face criticism. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #250

Many are complaining about just that... MellowDem Aug 2014 #251

The way the criticism is presented also matters. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #252

If the Pope came here and expressed homophobic beliefs he would be attacked Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #302

And the jury has spoken on white privilege... MellowDem Aug 2014 #329

Yeah, but we weren't discussing white privilege or conservatives, were we? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #334

A jury of randomly selected people says nothing.... MellowDem Aug 2014 #341

The pope is attacked and praised here. It is callsd debating! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #342

He wouldn't be praised at all... MellowDem Aug 2014 #344

And we debate it here. That is what we do here. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #345

No doubt... MellowDem Aug 2014 #346

Please explain one bigot to another? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #347

The Pope vs Michele Bachman, for example... MellowDem Aug 2014 #367

What makes you think I rely on that jury decision? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #348

What prejudice against believers? MellowDem Aug 2014 #369

I don't see any outrage, offense, and flabbergasted horror in your example. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #373

I'm not rehashing other threads... MellowDem Aug 2014 #397

No, it wasn't Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #399

You at least tried addressing the points... MellowDem Aug 2014 #403

I address points all the time when points are made Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #409

Regarding your second link Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #374

The poster criticizes religion... MellowDem Aug 2014 #398

Not labeled a bigot, but called to explain what appeared to be a broad brush attack Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #400

No, it was labelled bigotry... MellowDem Aug 2014 #404

Show me an example where criticizing an idea was labeled "bigotry" Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #412

In the post I just cited... MellowDem Aug 2014 #430

I disagree Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #432

Some people think Islam is a greater threat than other religions... MellowDem Aug 2014 #434

Fascists are bigots by definition Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #435

You interpret defending one's personal faith as "privilege"? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #262

America some say, is as high as 78% Christian; c. 85% religious Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #265

Admittedly, it does. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #266

And you are right about the "safe havens" amounting to privilege. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #268

+1 rug Aug 2014 #321

Well, I guess the answer is a resounding NO! Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #298

Very telling. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #304

Isn't it? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #308

The other post survived 2 to 5. I don't have the results anymore but someone sent it to me. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #310

Atheists made their point with literally dozens of academic quotes supplied Brettongarcia Aug 2014 #332

Noyou did not. the question was about DU, not the wider world. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #333

Watch out, he's invoking "Freud himself". rug Aug 2014 #336

Maybe the jury realized that the first post Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #337

Yeah, and maybe the earth is really flat. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #338

Couple things about the world of education since you were in it. Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #339

Thanks for the update. LOL Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #340

I often use a blackboard. stone space Aug 2014 #343

Where do you teach? Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #349

This message was self-deleted by its author stone space Aug 2014 #350

Sounds like you support the hide. stone space Aug 2014 #351

Religious entitlement to what? burnsei sensei Aug 2014 #305

Entitlement to have their beliefs considered a delusion and a sign... stone space Aug 2014 #309

Apparently, some members think that our religious brethren feel entitled in some way Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #418

No, not at all. nt TM99 Aug 2014 #320

You notice it still hasn't been proven. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #323

As usual, the Christians have the burden of evidence exactly backward enki23 Aug 2014 #359

Oh, brother. Put my on that exclusive list too. rug Aug 2014 #360

If someone is claiming religious privilege exists here then they have the burden to prove it. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #361

Yes. I believe you actually think that. enki23 Aug 2014 #362

I still notice you aee not howing how religious privilege is here at du. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #363

Jesus. enki23 Aug 2014 #364

What about him? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #365

Maybe they'll call him a nominal atheist. rug Aug 2014 #381

Let's try a little logic here and let's also try to stay civil cbayer Aug 2014 #372

The fiction that you are worth responding to? cbayer Aug 2014 #371

You know I wonder if some here think they whole thing went overboard and want to pull back a bit. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #354

I think it's an interesting conversation. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #356

I'm confused (not surprising as it's still early here) Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #375

There have been about the pope. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #378

I think you make a really good point about posts about the pope. cbayer Aug 2014 #383

How about this as an example of privilege here Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #382

I believe this is inaccurate. stone space Aug 2014 #385

I made no bigoted attacks on religion Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #386

I've seen you both in action. (nt) stone space Aug 2014 #388

And I've seen you in action. Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #389

I've posted in AA and I've posted in interfaith. stone space Aug 2014 #390

So you're not going to talk about the privilege in the SOP wording. Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #391

It sounded like "let's you and him fight" to me. stone space Aug 2014 #392

Hey! WTF do I have to do with this? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #401

You have made an interesting point here but I will tell you my reasoning. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #393

I appreciate that. Goblinmonger Aug 2014 #394

Your welcome. as I said you gave the only example where it could be seen as that but hrmjustin Aug 2014 #395

Justin, a little motherly advice Marrah_G Aug 2014 #410

I let this whole thing get md down so I need to grow a thicker skin and understand that some who hrmjustin Aug 2014 #423

hugs you Marrah_G Aug 2014 #425

. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #426

What does 'show scorn to' even mean? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #428

No not t all. people who make clear that they find religion a joke would not do well in interfaith. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #438

Slightly more confused. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #440

Interfaith is a group that discusses religion and non-belief but the rule is you can not put down hrmjustin Aug 2014 #441

I guess I'll have to pay closer attention to which Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #442

We don't post a lot of ops but we have a few and people of faith and no faith are welcome. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #443

I think that there is too much atheist entitlement here. stone space Aug 2014 #417

Do we get free stuff if we claim to be religious? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #427

You might get a pin here. rug Aug 2014 #429

Maybe you get a knitted sweater if you claim not to. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #433