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edhopper

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4. So sainthood isn't about anything celestial

Reply to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Aug 24, 2014, 12:45 PM

Aug 2014

it's more like a Hall of Fame?

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Why Pope Francis Wants to Declare Murdered Archbishop Romero a Saint [View all] DonViejo Aug 2014 OP

I Really Could Get To Like This Francis Fella, Sir... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #1

Me too! cleanhippie Aug 2014 #42

Romero was a pretty awesome guy. Squinch Aug 2014 #2

Romero is far more deserving of canonization than many who have been canonized. Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2014 #3

So sainthood isn't about anything celestial edhopper Aug 2014 #4

So sainthood isn't about anything celestial AlbertCat Aug 2014 #5

Not sure what you mean by celestial, but these are the requirements: cbayer Aug 2014 #6

Then what's with all the praying to saints edhopper Aug 2014 #7

I have no idea, but I think it's pretty harmless. cbayer Aug 2014 #8

I think it's quite all right to question beliefs edhopper Aug 2014 #10

when you question things like saints, what do you hope to accomplish? cbayer Aug 2014 #16

What do you care what I want to accomplish? edhopper Aug 2014 #19

I am merely interested. cbayer Aug 2014 #20

It's not the belief in saints that has me puzzled edhopper Aug 2014 #21

Ok. Has that question been answered? cbayer Aug 2014 #22

Less than perfect is an understatement edhopper Aug 2014 #33

No, the amount of inconsistency and illogic are the nature of things like philosophy cbayer Aug 2014 #34

You seem to think I am asking if they can prove someone is a saint. edhopper Aug 2014 #35

Simple. okasha Aug 2014 #36

Everyone in heaven is a saint? edhopper Aug 2014 #39

yes and yes. okasha Aug 2014 #40

Is this from the RCC? edhopper Aug 2014 #47

It's a widespread understanding. okasha Aug 2014 #51

That is one take. trotsky Aug 2014 #45

"Everyone else who's dead? Hell or purgatory." rug Aug 2014 #46

So everyone in heaven is a saint? edhopper Aug 2014 #48

Yes, by definition. rug Aug 2014 #49

Thanks edhopper Aug 2014 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author rexcat Aug 2014 #67

One of our practicing Catholics may be more qualified to answer this question in detail... Act_of_Reparation Aug 2014 #15

And those who prayed to Saints edhopper Aug 2014 #18

I would wager the endeavor was just as fruitful as praying to saints who did exist. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2014 #23

Perhaps no different in terms of absolute outcome, but if praying cbayer Aug 2014 #24

Its most practical significance is to highlight a person worth emulating. rug Aug 2014 #9

But then the edhopper Aug 2014 #11

That's intrinsic in any notion of sainthood. If Romero becames better known from this process, great rug Aug 2014 #12

Seems there are too issues here edhopper Aug 2014 #13

Canonization, as you should know, is simply a public recognition that someone became a saint. rug Aug 2014 #14

Okay edhopper Aug 2014 #17

Basically, Joan of Arc was canonized as a political sop to the French. Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2014 #26

That's fairly accurate. rug Aug 2014 #31

Everything the RCC does is political... rexcat Aug 2014 #37

I think there is a lot of truth to this. cbayer Aug 2014 #43

The current Pope's... rexcat Aug 2014 #52

As you have noted, it's highly political and if things are going so change, they cbayer Aug 2014 #55

I think that we will have to agree to disagree... rexcat Aug 2014 #57

Ok, but I'm not sure we really disagree. cbayer Aug 2014 #58

I am not getting the hasmat suit thing... rexcat Aug 2014 #62

You are right, sometimes things do get messed up, and people can rather cbayer Aug 2014 #63

Agree that the RCC can and does do some good things... rexcat Aug 2014 #65

Yikes! Were those episodes in the same hospital or different ones? cbayer Aug 2014 #68

Same hospital... rexcat Aug 2014 #70

I know that they have a major foothold in some areas. cbayer Aug 2014 #72

If we want to be honest, trotsky Aug 2014 #25

That is clearly your take on it Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2014 #27

Speaking of honesty... trotsky Aug 2014 #28

Of course, you take care not to link to the multiple posts where I QUOTE Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2014 #29

You have no credibility, FA. trotsky Aug 2014 #30

This drivel has what to do with the subject of the OP, canonization? rug Aug 2014 #32

plagiarism is however one of your strong points. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #44

It is always about the bottom line... rexcat Aug 2014 #38

Good, I'm glad you're here. Can you tell me the bottom line on this? rug Aug 2014 #41

Its about money... rexcat Aug 2014 #53

How much money did they make off this death? rug Aug 2014 #54

Since I was responding to trotsky's comment... rexcat Aug 2014 #56

You should know a post on a message board is not a pm. rug Aug 2014 #59

Sounds more like projection on your part... rexcat Aug 2014 #60

You're the one claiming everthing the RCC does is about money. rug Aug 2014 #61

You forgot the "power" thing rug... rexcat Aug 2014 #64

Ok, how did this death show the RCC's thirst for power? rug Aug 2014 #66

The current pope bringing up the sainthood of Oscar Romero... rexcat Aug 2014 #69

Like every global institution, politics is a very big consideration. rug Aug 2014 #71

Actually, it's very much in line okasha Aug 2014 #73