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20. I see your point and deism may be a transitional step

Tue Aug 26, 2014, 08:24 AM

Aug 2014

from atheism (or agnosticism) to theism as well.

Perhaps that is where a lot of spiritual not religious people are.

But it has nothing to do with understanding reality, just the path that each individual takes.

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What are your thoughts on deism? [View all] Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 OP

I have no issue with it. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #1

If god "gives you strength", isn't that "interfering" with the world? cleanhippie Aug 2014 #3

No, that's indirect. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #4

Uhm, okay? cleanhippie Aug 2014 #5

I don't think "God doesn't interfere with the laws of nature" Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #6

Take it up with Justin, it's what he believes. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #7

No, it's your characterization of what he believes. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #8

Without a straight, easily understood answer, it's all I have to work with. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #44

No, that's indirect. AlbertCat Aug 2014 #42

Not to me but I can understand how from a pure logic viewpoint it might. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #9

It really depends on how you define "interference" EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2014 #13

I still think we make our own decisions so I would be hesitant to say that the strength is hrmjustin Aug 2014 #14

How about an example? Can you give one where you feel "god gave you strength" cleanhippie Aug 2014 #22

When my mother had her surgeries. I asked for strength to get through it. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #23

And you feel that god gave you that strength? cleanhippie Aug 2014 #24

Sure I would have. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #25

Then how can you be sure god gave you anything at all? cleanhippie Aug 2014 #27

Because I feel it. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #28

This is so very confusing. You say that god gave you the strength to get through it cleanhippie Aug 2014 #29

It is gard to explain but I will say that we make our own choices. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #30

You keep saying that but to me it's gobelygook. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #31

Despite the strength one gets from the Almighty we make our own decisions. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #32

What decisions? This is about getting strength from god and how it effects the world. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #34

What I am saying and I have been clear ix thst despite this strength we make our own decisions. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #35

Uhm, okay? But I still do not know what that means. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #37

I pray and I ask for strength from God. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #38

And if you don't "feel it come through" does the event happen differently? cleanhippie Aug 2014 #39

No not likely. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #40

So what's the benefit then? cleanhippie Aug 2014 #41

Well that is a good question. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #45

You do what because what comforts you? cleanhippie Aug 2014 #46

I pray to God because it gives me comfort. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #47

What does that have to do with "god giving you strength"? cleanhippie Aug 2014 #48

Ok, I pray to God and I pray to God to give je strength to do whatever I have to do in this moment. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #49

So you're not actually "getting" anything from god? cleanhippie Aug 2014 #50

No I believe there is something coming from God. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #51

Grace or strength? Define that so I can understand your meaning. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #59

Not in the sense that God is making a decision for me. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #60

So this "strength that god gives you" isn't really strength at all? cleanhippie Aug 2014 #61

It is not easily definable. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #63

I see that. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #68

You mistake me. I do know what it does for me but it is hard to put it intowords. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #69

"I do not know what it does for me" cleanhippie Aug 2014 #70

I said I do know what it does for me. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #71

And why do you keep evading the big question? cleanhippie Aug 2014 #33

I understand the dictotomy of free will vs. intercessory relief EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2014 #73

I'm unsure just how being given a thing that assists you isn't interfering. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #21

It's more plausible than Theism. Gore1FL Aug 2014 #2

No reason to think it valid phil89 Aug 2014 #10

What qualifies as "evidence"? nt Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #11

Something measurable, falsifiable, phil89 Aug 2014 #36

"Something beyond a persons feelings." rug Aug 2014 #56

it was a way of edging away from the foolishness of traditional theism without getting one's head Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #12

Exactly. enlightenment Aug 2014 #17

Yes it was the choice of our founding fathers underpants Aug 2014 #52

note the lopping of heads part is mostly hyperbole. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #54

Still assumes facts not in evidence. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #15

I don't think much of it at all, to be honest. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2014 #16

A transitional phase... NeoGreen Aug 2014 #18

I see your point and deism may be a transitional step cbayer Aug 2014 #20

I guess I look at it as... NeoGreen Aug 2014 #43

I agree that everyone is working to understand their reality. cbayer Aug 2014 #75

As usual, these labels are complex and can vary depending on how cbayer Aug 2014 #19

It's only complex when we allow words to have fluid meaning that suit our POV. cleanhippie Aug 2014 #26

deism dmn16 Aug 2014 #53

I'm more of a Deeist Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #55

Smooooth underpants Aug 2014 #62

I'd rather fight than switch cbayer Aug 2014 #67

Or Dee Snider of Twisted Sister? Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2014 #72

No! I will not worship that guy! I'm not gonna take it! Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #77

As an American, I always want more. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #57

Deism ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #58

Not clear. Do you think people identity as deists because they find cbayer Aug 2014 #64

I assume different Deists have different reasons for their beliefs. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #65

I tend to think that beliefs or lack or beliefs are just what they are. cbayer Aug 2014 #66

It's tantamount to atheism pokerfan Aug 2014 #74

Why do you say that atheism is not welcome here. cbayer Aug 2014 #76