Stop fighting about who created the world....

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70. That I understood. And I still think you're wrong.

Like I said, if those posters are the voting type -- and I think it a reasonable assumption, by virtue of their presence on a political forum, that they are -- then obviously their opposition to a creationist cosmological model does not preclude collaboration with believers on secular issues of import. Many of them, like myself, are in the position where voting for an atheist is simply not an option. Instead, we vote for believers who, apart from their religious beliefs, best represent us on other issues. I can't think of a single person here who abstains because they refuse to throw their support behind someone whose religious beliefs do not entirely comport with their own.

Frankly, I don't understand what manner of world you think posters here inhabit. We are a minority in this country. Merely getting by day-to-day necessitates collaboration and cooperation with people with whom we may disagree. The kind of person you describe, who would rather die than extend the slightest courtesy to a believer, would simply not survive in such an environment.

That's why I am a little miffed when I see some spend so much time and energy fighting beliefs and alienating believers, rather than setting a good example and showing others how we can be responsible inhabitants of this planet and be civil at the same time. We don't have a "Rapture" to bail us out. We only have ourselves and we need to lead by example.
I realize that not all atheists are good people or good environmentalists. Doesn't stop me from encouraging them to be. Nastiness toward believers gets us nowhere.

You're drawing non-existent parallels again. Who are these people atheists are alienating from environmentalism with their persistent, and apparently uncivil, questioning of creationism? Is there anyone here, or elsewhere, who has or possibly will become so disillusioned with environmentalism, or liberalism in general, as a consequence that they'll go out and buy an H2 or start voting for the GOP?

Frankly, I don't think these people exist.

I understand, and actually appreciate, that you'd prefer a more civil dialogue between believers and non-believers. But what you are suggesting, in effect, is that to achieve this ideal atheists have to stop questioning beliefs commonly held on our side of the political aisle. I don't agree: mostly, because many of these beliefs are not without consequence, but also because keeping our traps shut does nothing to address the issue of religious privilege within our party.