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cbayer

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69. Who is this "we" you are referring to?

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 03:27 AM

Sep 2014

I have never seen a single comment about rudeness or anger that would include you. There is not prejudice against atheists here. There is, however, some significant negativity towards some specific members who are very hostile and provocative. You are not one of those people, even if you are friends with them. It may be hard for you to recognize the difference, but I assure you that others have no problem making the distinction.

As you probably know, I have a great deal of problem with anti-theism or anti-religion. It's no different to me than being anti-atheist. Denouncing a whole group, equating their beliefs to an illness that must be cured and calling the individual adherents psychiatrically ill is wrong. Criticism where it is warranted is one thing. Blanket condemnation is quite another, especially when one is in a space occupied by liberal/progressive believers.

We should all fight together to push back against those seeking a theocracy in this country and those that use their religion to oppress others. You live in a place where you apparently hear the worst from the religious right, but here in this group, you can hear the best if you are willing to listen.

Thanks for posting this. I hope you will do so in the future.

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Why we should worry about extreme religion.... [View all] Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 OP

Bookmarked. rug Sep 2014 #1

Also bookmarked and rec'd. nt Htom Sirveaux Sep 2014 #2

I lasted about 16 minutes. avebury Sep 2014 #3

This is what missing the point looks like. rug Sep 2014 #4

How so? nt Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #5

Two points. rug Sep 2014 #6

Who ever said that I was comparing Quiverfull to ISIS? avebury Sep 2014 #8

You did. rug Sep 2014 #14

The Islamic religion has sought to achieve religious domination for centuries. avebury Sep 2014 #16

Odd you even asked the question. rug Sep 2014 #17

There is little difference in the aims of the extreme fundie groups of all religions LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #94

I see a big difference in what they contemplate. rug Sep 2014 #95

I would argue that Dominionists differ not by what they contemplate, LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #101

I am not so sure that the Dominonists are just talk. Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #10

No, I haven't seen you say that but it has been said in here often enough. rug Sep 2014 #15

ISIS is one sect of islamic fundamentalists. Just one. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #19

"Religion" means different things to different people. Htom Sirveaux Sep 2014 #7

People who use the concept of "religion" to try to avebury Sep 2014 #9

Can there be genuine religion apart from and opposed to these things, in your opinion? Htom Sirveaux Sep 2014 #11

There is nothing wrong with religion as long as it is not avebury Sep 2014 #12

Thank you for clarifying those points. Htom Sirveaux Sep 2014 #13

Well for starters teaching people to believe in irrational nonsense is a huge enabler Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #23

That post is a prime example of "irrational nonsense". rug Sep 2014 #24

Belief in invisible beings is irrational phil89 Sep 2014 #28

No it isn't. It lacks evidence. rug Sep 2014 #29

Um. Yes. Please. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #32

Evidence, as most commonlyused in the group, is observation subject to scientific scrutiny. rug Sep 2014 #34

What datum? AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #35

The given in this case is that there is a God. rug Sep 2014 #37

'Given' from where? AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #38

In logic, a given is a given. Period. The rationality is what follows it, not precedes it. rug Sep 2014 #39

"cannot be reasoned into." AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #40

To your ear, perhaps. rug Sep 2014 #54

I could see holding an unsupported, no-evidence-in-evidence AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #55

Belief is an entirely different subject. But rationality is found in belief as well as skepticism. rug Sep 2014 #56

I can see how it can make sense *to the individual* but it always seems to break down AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #57

In mathematics, one starts with axioms Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #70

"As classically conceived, an axiom is a premise so evident as to be accepted as true without AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #75

Don't go off on a tangent. rug Sep 2014 #76

Not my tangent. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #77

It's a joke. rug Sep 2014 #78

Fair enough. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #79

See, can't we all get along? rug Sep 2014 #80

Of course, you carefully neglected to quote the next sentence from the Wikipedia article Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #83

Which I also accept, and I don't think that changes anything. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #84

Of course it does Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #85

And if you look at what I said, it works for either. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #86

And then you claim that a proposition which is given without proof Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #87

But that's what you do when an axiom is proposed. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #88

Let's have the definition again: Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #90

Yes, and that's exactly what I said. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #92

No, it is not what you said Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #93

Why don't you go ahead and quote the part where I used the word 'Disproven'. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #96

You're right, you did not use the words "disproven left and right" Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #98

I said i would accept either use. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #99

You said, "I accept either one, and I don't think that changes anything." Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #102

Simple. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #103

You claim that the result is the same, no matter which definition you use Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #104

Hahahahaha oh man. You're really reaching here. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #105

You seem more interested in scoring debating points than actually getting somewhere Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #106

That's exactly what I was thinking about you. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #107

Except that I am interested in getting somewhere, you are not. Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #108

Logic is only as good as what you feed into it phil89 Sep 2014 #82

I see you're still grappling with the difference between evidence and reason. rug Sep 2014 #89

Apparently you do... phil89 Sep 2014 #81

You're repeating yourself. So will I. "You're wrong." rug Sep 2014 #91

"Belief in invisible things is irrational"? Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #42

But there is a huge difference between Quiverfull and Islamic Fundamentalism and cbayer Sep 2014 #21

Is it ok if we are opposed to the concept of religion? AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #25

Opposed to the concept? cbayer Sep 2014 #26

Well, I'm trying not to ascribe negative connotation. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #27

If you base your world view on the supposition that those cbayer Sep 2014 #30

But there are some problems here... AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #31

I could care less about Adam and Eve. cbayer Sep 2014 #33

Sure, and it's possible to tell the story of Noah's Ark without the genocide overtones. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #36

Yep, that's true about Noah's ark. cbayer Sep 2014 #41

"can't for the life of you figure out why others don't see it like you do." AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #43

You read things through your own distorted prisms cbayer Sep 2014 #45

It was conveniently translated into english. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #46

I'm done with you for now. "night. cbayer Sep 2014 #48

You have not a leg to stand on. 'Good night'. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #50

"Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures" AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #52

When you get back, can you let me know what this says without my 'filters'? AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #53

Really? You really have to run to the clubhouse to get reinforcement for your position? cbayer Sep 2014 #47

False accusation. Feigned outrage. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #49

It is a metaphor, an allegory, a psycho bastard murderous all powerful patriachal diety Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #72

nice, really classy. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #74

"I always thought of it as an environmental tale " Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #71

Of course it's an environmental tale, Warren! trotsky Sep 2014 #73

Couldn't put up with watching the whole thing, but most edgineered Sep 2014 #18

I appreciate your synopsis of this. cbayer Sep 2014 #22

Probably something I should have done. Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #60

There will always be those who use religion as a vehicle for motivating others. edgineered Sep 2014 #62

I can't disagree with this Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #63

Even in isolated areas people will come together and create edgineered Sep 2014 #64

Can't we just have a pot luck? Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #65

Pot luck works fine for me. edgineered Sep 2014 #66

I totally agree that those with similar political agendas need to work together cbayer Sep 2014 #20

We hear it often Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #61

Who is this "we" you are referring to? cbayer Sep 2014 #69

Why would you worry about posting this in this group? cbayer Sep 2014 #44

Defend what this woman was involved in, probably not. trotsky Sep 2014 #58

You might have noticed Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #59

I do notice that and I salute you for doing it. cbayer Sep 2014 #68

You are right, my fears were not justified. Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #97

I think there are things said about people that post in this group that are not true. cbayer Sep 2014 #100

Good post! This is an excellent place for a post such as this. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #51

Extemism in any form or venue is crippling. Most, thankfully see through it eventually. pinto Sep 2014 #67